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New Member
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First off hello everyone and thank you for looking. I found a coin in my collection that I can not seem to ID. I have no information about this except that its a half-dollar from the Kiran Province of China. I can make out the "Value" I guess is what it is, 3 candarins 6 is what is at the bottom of the front of the coin. I am able to find LOTS of images of other coins matching the front but none of the back of the coin. Any help would be greatly appreciated. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/pho...t=directlinkhttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/pho...t=directlinkThe pictures above are VERY large and too big to post on the forums. please use the Picasa links above to view them. It also appears the back of this coin was double struck. Edited by Alup
07/20/2016 8:39 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm sorry, but it looks fake to me,
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New Member
 United States
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what about this coin looks fake? Also, if it is fake they used real silver. not sure of the percentage but my metal detector says it is silver.
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Valued Member
United States
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Edited by Heavington
07/20/2016 9:07 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks fake to me too.
If your detectors says it's silver I'd check your detector.
In fact, it's one of the most obvious fakes I've seen posted in a while.
Edited by Albert
07/20/2016 9:34 pm
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New Member
United States
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ok, thank you for the information. Next question, if it is fake what does the back of the coin say at the top because it has WAY more characters than the one that was linked to me. also, I agree after looking at some of the fakes that this is indeed a fake one. This coin matches one of the ones on this ebay post www.ebay.com/itm/322193829806Edited by Alup
07/20/2016 10:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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An Imperial Dragon Coin usually has the province name in English on one side and in the Chinese language on the other. Yours don't match. Yours says Kirin on one side and Heilongjiang on the other. Not uncommon for the fake makers. But that's not all that is wrong. There is more I won't say because then the fake makers will fix it on the next batch. Once too many things get said about what is wrong, it just gives the fakers opportunity to learn from their mistakes and get better. However, even with fixes, they will still be exposed as fakes.
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New Member
United States
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This one does at least contain silver, its a very weak signal compared to my 1 onza plata pura round though. heck, its even weak compared to a Ben Franklin half dollar from 1961, which is funny because its actually smaller than the fake Chinese coin. I think I will just stick with my collecting of US minted coins. I know more about them and they are a lot easier to find information on. Edited by Alup
07/20/2016 10:35 pm
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@alup, at the risk of slightly hi-jacking your post, I wonder if you could talk a little bit about using a metal detector to determine the alloy of a coin. I assumed that you just got a signal for any type of metal, but it sounds like you are saying that different metals have different signatures that the metal detector can discern. I know we have an area for this tyoe if discussion on CCF, so maybe I just need to lurk a little there.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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New Member
United States
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when I say metal detector, that is not really the right term. What I have is XRF Analyzer. Its not mine, its on loan from my dads work. he is a machinist. I believe they retail for something like 20k usd.
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Let's be realistic. Chinese coins? Remember the lead paint incident on toys? I highly doubt it is struck in silver. If anything, it might have traces of silver plating but very unlikely. Who knows what heavy metal is in this coin.
Second about the coin. The obverse claims that it is from Heilongjiang Province and the reverse is from Kirin Province. Here's the problem - Heilongjiang Province NEVER struck any coins for circulation and they were only pattern coins. To top this up, Kirin province is not anywhere near Heilongjiang province. There are very rare mule coins but this is one of the counterfeiters random 'mint sports' to paddle their wares.
Third - 3.6 mace is not a very common denomination. Assuming if this is remotely genuine, this should be around 13.5 grams.
The chances of winning lotto is much higher than this being genuine.
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What I have is XRF Analyzer ok yes thanks for the clarification! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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United States
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If the XRF usage is true, and is configured as the right type for this application instead of one of many other applications, it should indicate about 90% silver more or less along with some copper. And the OP even states "weak signal" on a US half dollar instead of sterling or coin silver. The XRF may be of a different model not tuned to detect precious metals? (just a thought). An XRF model used by bullion dealers and jewelry store operators is probably different compared to some that may be used by a machinist.
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New Member
United States
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the XRF states its 13% silver.
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