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1834 Half Cent Grade Request

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Request your knowledgeable input as to the grade of this Half Cent. Coin is darker that indicated by my photos but they highlight details better. Thank you for your input. I am thinking XF45 to possible AU50.

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I see an XF40 with pretty cool die clash!
I would be super happy to have one:)

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EF-40, very nice example.
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Thanks for the input folks. I have not looked at my coin collection for a long, long time and learning the new grading lingo. What does "die clash" mean. Bill
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XF40 also
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Die clash occurs when the two dies used to strike a coin (called the hammer and anvil) strike each other without a planchet (metal blank) in between. The result is that the details from the reverse die are "clashed" into the obverse die, or vice versa, or both. This clashed image will then be transferred to the next planchets / coin blanks to be fed through the dies; the stronger the impact (higher striking force), the longer the clash will last and the more visible it will be; this is also affected by the metal used for the dies and the composition of the planchets. Over time, if the same dies are used for many more strikes, die erosion (wear to the striking surfaces) will eventually erase the evidence of the clash.

The end results can range from the barely-noticeable (you need a 10x microscope, good lighting, and a knowledge of where to look) to the extremely obvious (you can see very clear marks that can be matched to features on the opposite side of the coin.)

Your lovely Little Sister grades around XF ( TPG) with good color and an interesting die clash, as TJ noted above. It is a very nice piece of early copper & looks very original. The variety (used to identify coins struck from different die pairs) is Cohen-1, or C-1 for short; there were only one pair of dies used in 1834 to strike Half Cents. The clash marks present on your coin indicate that it is Manley state 2.0 (a die state number, which is used to identify how early or late in the life of a particular die pair your coin was struck.) In this case, Manley 2.0 represents an intermediate, or middle, die state (your coin was struck approximately halfway through the useful life of the C-1 die pair.)

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Adam - Wow! I had no idea the level of detail these coins had been studied and cataloged. Very impressive. Thank you very much for the detailed information. Respectfully, Bill
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xf 40 also
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Here you can see the profile right side up:)

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I see it now. Very subtle outline of chin, lips, nose - correct? Any idea when this was first noticed? Thank you, Bill
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EF-40.
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