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1941-Lc-Struck Through Extra Metal Or ?

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A little confessed on this one cause it is on the collar as well as the die. Any help explaining is welcomed.

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 Posted 08/03/2016  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
correction rim.
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Well, if I had come across it I would have said Die chip above the "U" and PSD for the other. I get strange stuff like this so it will be real good to see what the experts say on this - since I don't usually post them.



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I usually post the strange ones cause I can't figure out what they are.
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Are the two sides affected back to back, like a wrap around issue? (the alignment of the obv and rev dies would be way off it that were the case)

Are they firmly fixed onto the coin on those areas or like a lamination/fusing like a struck through debris? On the'U' on UNUM it looks like it is laying on top of that device?)

It can't be a die chip as it is partly on the die and partly on the rim edge. (a die chip would not flow that way, unless it was a Cud)

The raised area on the rim by the date is where the coin was dropped hard on cement.
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I don't know how I missed this last night. This kind of makes me think it's a Cud. The mark on the reverse is about a half a degree from being behind the "extra metal" on the obverse. I don't see anything that would make me think it is a lamination.

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That is contact from another coin. Not a Cud issue as the die area is not affected. Just the rim.
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I guess it can only be one of two things. Either struct through or PSD (Took a hit). Hard to tell on the old circulated ones.
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I guess it can only be one of two things. Either struct through or PSD


If it were struck through something wouldn't it be an incuse mark? Or are you suggesting it was struck through some metal and it fused to coin.
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 Posted 08/04/2016  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's what it looks like (if it is not PSD). What would that be called, a retained strike through ?
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Doesn't look like this post ever got figured out. So probably PSD.
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Seems like that is the only explanation. Thought about it, If it happened during the strike, it doesn't seem like the top of the "U" would be covered.
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I have seen this a lot on 50's and 60's coins. I think maybe it is some sort of extra metal problem. I doesn't look like PSD to me because I see this a lot on 60's coins.
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Agree, it does not look like PSD. Just can't think of what would cause it.
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I would think it is some sort of extra metal problem. I only see it on the rims though when I find it, which leads me to think maybe some extra metal sometimes gets stuck to the upsetting mill and then transferred to the coin
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The 5th image down on this page shows an example of a rolling fold. http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/error2.html The photos you have are not a rolling fold but may have been caused from a similar issue with the punching process. I have opened older rolls of uncirculated cents that have many small pieces of loose metal mixed in with them. If one or more of those small pieces becomes stuck to the coin, then later compressed during the rolling of the coins or going though a coin counter it would cause something like what you have. That is most likely what you have.
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