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Counterfeit 1893 Half Crown

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 Posted 08/06/2016  4:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lapidary to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Seller: gatwdavi

Item number: 272327383482

This seller has already sold a blatantly counterfeit 18850 half crown and is now trying to shift an 1893.

If you look at the images below, the top one is the counterfeit and you can see many differences, including the crude engraving of all the devices and the size of the denticles.



Counterfeit-1893-Half-Crown

Counterfeit-1893-Half-Crown

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1893-HALF...272327383482
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 Posted 08/07/2016  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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That is actually a hand engraved die pair. Not at all common for the denomination or the time of circulation. I only wish I had seen it and put in an offer at least. Clearly not modern product and likely very collectable.
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Why do you feel this in not a modern copy Bob? It looks like a pretty typical low quality modern fake to me.
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Because of the way the die was made. The ribbons around the rosettes are formed by two concentric lines not by a raised ribbon. The dies are between the "normal" standard for an 1890s counterfeit and a modern Forgery. I feel it is not cast because of the change in height of the raised edge (collar area) clearly visible at FID.

On second very close review I see what you mean about modern. The dimpling of the coin surface (letter tops) may be an indication of modernity - it also could be due to circulation. I just do not know. It is more of a gut feeling than anything else.

Another factor greatly in your favor are the appearance of reed ends at the collar edge - primarily in the area of D IMP. That is why I have asked the seller to send me edge photos. That will likely be the telling detail.

Modern (if the edge was applied with a ring die or a roller application of reeds) it is worthless - a contemporary strike(using an irregular collar) perhaps $20.
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