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I found this looking through a random bag of foreign coins today, never seen anything like it.
Interesting-1903-Indian-Head...
Interesting-1903-Indian-Head...

Any thoughts?
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 Posted 03/03/2008  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have absolutely no idea; I'm waiting with high anticipation to find out how that happened!
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It is very strange. Its like the entire coin was struck so everything was opposite
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Looks like nice mirror shots to me.
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Hmm...I have seen a very similar 1902 IHC, which I think was due to brockage--perhaps an error collector can confirm this? I would think it's pretty unusual to have that happen on both sides. How does to coin's diameter compare to a normal IHC? That's a very nice find! It has the right color to be from the period, imo.
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03/03/2008 9:22 pm
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Diameter is exactly the same as a normal IH.
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Well, then I'll guess double brockage--nice find!
I'm looking at a very similar coin in a dealer catalog, but I can't find a pic online.

Update--the dealer doesn't give a price, and I'm unfamiliar with IHC strike errors, but I would bet there's a lot of collector interest in such a coin.
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Any thoughts on value? I'm not gonna sell it, I'm keeping it for mt IH collection, but I would like to know what I have here!

Also would this be worth slabbing?
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I would think a double brockage would have spread the coin out to a larger diameter.

Very neat find, I hope it turns out to be a good one.
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" I would think a double brockage would have spread the coin out to a larger diameter."
Perhaps if the planchet could not be enclosed by the collar during the strike? I don't know...I'm not an error collector
In the brockage photo I have, the coin appears positioned normally and a similar size.
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So Should I send it in to like NGCS?
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I fooled with the pictures and flipped them then lightened them. The diameter is not the same as a regular cent. It is distorted, it was probably placed between two other coins in a vice or hammered. It looks like an antique version of what we would call a squeeze job.

I'm not sure, but I feel that the coin was tampered with. Of course when I reversed the image of the obverse, it looked like a damaged , very worn cent. so ...who knows:-)

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with foundinrolls, I was going to suggest hammering as well. I'd show it to an expert, though, just to confirm.
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I'm going with...

It was an old worn out indian head that was placed between two normal cents and hammered/viced together. Notice how you can see the 'bow' on the top of the obverse. My thinking is that someone had a barely legible cent and was wanting it to look like one again.
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Ok, it's possible it's hammered--I'm not an error collector after all.
I can only guess the edge of a hammered coin would show spreading metal, vs. an IHC that was struck in a collar?
Maybe pics of the edge would help determine this?
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