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Valued Member
France
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Does anyone can say to me if is it real or fake ? Coin weights 25 g and 37 mm. I know some Italian coin are fake in this period. Thank you  
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Moderator
 United States
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The coin looks real to me. Krause lists it as C#105.1 25 grams, .900 silver from Sardina. F-$150.00, VF-300.00, XF-$750.00. I'd grade it within the VF range.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I don't like it. Looks somewhat suspicious.
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United States
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I'm suspicious too, but I may be completely wrong here.  Despite the coin's nice grade, I find it odd that the portrait and devices are a similarly low relief. From the little I know of collecting 19 C. coins, the dates are often at a distinctly different quality/depth to the rest of the coin because they were punched independently. Everything here looks far too similar--but I would take it all back if authenticated coins showed similar features.
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Valued Member
 France
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the portrait is like C#93 in world coins (VF $1,500 - XF $3,200) BUT 1821 L is C#105 .I don't know if there is L before 5 on C#93, world coins picture is bad. I am in doubt....
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Valued Member
 France
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Moderator
 United States
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I think the angle of the picture might make the coin look a little strange. I'm no expert but I really don't see anything that makes this coin look off. You can see the L next to the L5.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow, don't know enough about the issue to say one way or another from the picture. My first look at the date made me think something was off about it, but it might just be a hit on the top of the second '1' that makes it look different.
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United States
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I'd like to see the denticles around 8 o'clock on the obverse a little closer. I can't tell if the picture is washed out there is something going on there. I'd also want to see the mint mark closer to see how clear the L is.
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Valued Member
 France
285 Posts |
I don't have another picture but thanks for your opinions
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just to put in my Two Cents worth - I am not an expert on the Italian series, but I do know that their die making expertise exceeded the US and many other countries at that point in time. So the primary die features and the uniformity does not bother me at all - in fact uniformity is precisely what I would expect. Italy was also using a closed coining chamber at that time. The coin is a collared strike and the edge should show traces of the joins between the three sections of the collar die. The sections were lettered. So the edge would be interesting - a reeded edge is wrong as is a plain edge. There was a very well done replica series produced a while ago that includes many of the scarce crown coins. I do not have a complete list of the coins produced but I have a dozen or more varieties in my collection that belong to that series. I would be a bit worried about this coin being one of these silver restrikes. The only problem I would look into further are the dentils (or beads) near the edge - on both sides. There are a few spots where they are rather irregular and it could point to a die made by a transfer process that was corrected to remove some prominant damage on the host coin. In particular on the date side at 7:00 position the beads fade out and start to look like rectangles. (This could be simple damage - i.e. the coin being slightly crushed at that point. On the shield side there is a similar area near 6:00 where the shape of the beads changes. (If the dies were slightly rotated and these two areas are alligned - check for post strike damage. If these are both die features suspect a forgery. The best advice is to KNOW and TRUST the seller. The coin is too scarce and valuable to spend a lot of mooney on a modern fake or even one of the restrikes.
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Valued Member
 France
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the seller have doubt too and prefer suspend the auction because many suspicious buyers ! :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This coin was artificially stained to look toned, so it appears. Plus the rim and beads look much more "primitive" than the 2 of these I've seen before. I suppose that can also be from dings or wear. Personally, if I saw it for a good price I would take it.
Is it exactly 25.0 grams? If it is even 1/10th of a gram higher, that would solve the mystery!
Edited by Numismat 03/07/2008 9:04 pm
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