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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I think banks not changing a bill for change is a joke. You were lucky they gave you the change. I was denied once when I tried to exchange a 10 dollar bill for a roll of quarters. Imo, banks are doing a very poor job, when they won't change a bill now and then. Needless to say, I never went back or had a nice thing to say about them since. My bank will do it as a service to non-customers a few times. That is good business. Gimme a break. I really don't like banks anyway, as you can probably tell. Are they doing us a favor by holding/using our money? A lot of them act like it. I already had a rant on the subject, and you reminded me of it. It never used to be a problem back in the day, but now all of a sudden getting a roll of nickels is a federal case. Joke. There are still plenty of banks that will do it no problem. Was in GA this spring, and went into a bank I didn't know and asked the teller if I could get a roll of quarters,(and waiting for a giant cartoon sledge hammer to come down on my head) with a smile, she said sure. A breath of fresh air. Why some banks have idiot policies I don't know, but they won't get my money. I remember when ATMs first came out in the 70s....the banks encouraged people to use them to lessen the teller lines and help them out, and there was never a fee.....now it's a "convenience" they charge for. I feel exactly the same way, edweather. I still remember the infamous day several months ago when I took like $100 of rolled coins into my old bank, Bank of America, and they said "we can only take up to $50 of coins" and "we don't have a machine here, so we can ship the coins out and we will credit your account in around 7 days." I blew up at the teller and the manager and then stormed out of there with my coins, cashing them in at a bank across the street that I was not a member of at the time... I then went about checking out some other banks until I found one which could handle basic transactions like this on a consistent basis.
CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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A bank is a business, first and foremost. Their mission is to earn a profit. Handling money incurs a cost, so to maximize profit they minimize the handling of money. End of story. 
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Valued Member
United States
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Could be their policy to hassle any non-customer who walks in the door, maybe they think that will make you want to open an account there.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Wow ... I am getting the impression some people are thinking banks are there just to handle coins.
I always thought banks were there for bank members to deposit their money, and make withdrawals when needed. Also to provide loans so the local community can grow.
Handling coins cost the bank money. Mostly the cost is to the armored car services transporting coins.
Providing coins is a service they provide for their customers.
Bank owners and shareholders hire bank officers to run the bank and make a profit. It is hard enough in this economy to make a profit. Free services are the first thing that gets cut.
I have always thought the best way, is to try and understand both sides of the counter.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: A bank is a business, first and foremost. Their mission is to earn a profit. Handling money incurs a cost, so to maximize profit they minimize the handling of money. I agree, and at the same time, banks are some of the largest corporations in the world, and they earn plenty of profit, and to deny some poor slob who 1. traveled to the bank, and 2. walked in, and 3. stood on line, and 4. on a one-time-basis asks for change, and is denied, is just horrible business practice imo. It's not like we are taxing their labor or overhead. I could see it if it's done all the time, that would be different, but these are isolated one time experiences we are talking about. Maybe the banks are right, and can make and enforce any policy they want, but there are friendlier banks out there, and that's where I do my business. I owned a people service business, and we did small things for people for free all the time. Just part of overhead. This is just common sense to me, but then again, look what's going on in the world   
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Banks exist for one reason, to make money. They are private businesses, not governmental organizations, and therefore have no obligation to anyone not doing business with the bank. So it is completely within their rights to deny service to a non-account holder who is looking to do a transaction that make the bank no money. However, it is good customer service to be helpful at least once or twice in the hopes that the person does eventually open an account. Or just charge a small service fee to non-account holders. In the situation one person mentioned of trying to get change for their business and being refused, that really is ridiculous (assuming you were an account holder) as that is a legitimate service offered by a bank.
Keep in mind a CRH is trying to make money on the transaction in the sense that he or she is paying face value for coins but looking for ones that are worth more than face value. In other words they are saying to the bank "I'd like you to, without compensation, spend the time and effort to exchange dollars for rolls of coins that I am getting in the hopes that I can profit by finding coins of value that you didn't realize were there". For an account holder, someone you are making money off of, sure, why not? For a random person off the street? Yeah, I can see the reluctance.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: The purpose of a bank has ALWAYS been to handle money. If they can't do this, then they're not doing their job. No the purpose of a bank, like any business, is to make money. The way they do that is by making loans. In order to make loans they need your money. In order to get people to deposit their money with them they provide safety to your funds, to some extent money from your account on demand, and ease of payment to others via checks. Exchange of money from one form to another is not really a part of their job, but one they will typically do for their customers as a courtesy. They are under no obligation at all to provide that service to non-customers but some will do it as either good will or in the hope of gaining them as a customer. Supplying rolls of coin to business accounts is also a courtesy extended as a way of keeping their usually considerably larger accounts (More money available for loaning) It is not something normally provided to small account holders or people simply wanting to do roll searching because it does result in cost to the banks. You also have to realize that banks try to keep the amount of money physically in the bank to a minimum. To them physical cash is a dead asset that is not out working making the money. This is especially true for coins which a bulky compared to their value. A bank will usually try to keep on hand just a little more then they typically need to service their business accounts. That small buffer is needed for day to day transactions and just a little extra. When people come in asking for rolls of change that digs into the buffer and the bank can be at risk of having to tell their business accounts that they are unable to provide them with the coin they need. The bank doesn't want to take the risk of annoying a large business account to satisfy a CRH or non-customer wanting change.
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Moderator
 United States
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Conder101, as per usual, nailed it. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2915 Posts |
Quote: No the purpose of a bank, like any business, is to make money. The way they do that is by making loans. In order to make loans they need your money. In order to get people to deposit their money with them they provide safety to your funds, to some extent money from your account on demand, and ease of payment to others via checks. Exchange of money from one form to another is not really a part of their job, but one they will typically do for their customers as a courtesy. They are under no obligation at all to provide that service to non-customers but some will do it as either good will or in the hope of gaining them as a customer. Supplying rolls of coin to business accounts is also a courtesy extended as a way of keeping their usually considerably larger accounts (More money available for loaning) It is not something normally provided to small account holders or people simply wanting to do roll searching because it does result in cost to the banks. You also have to realize that banks try to keep the amount of money physically in the bank to a minimum. To them physical cash is a dead asset that is not out working making the money. This is especially true for coins which a bulky compared to their value. A bank will usually try to keep on hand just a little more then they typically need to service their business accounts. That small buffer is needed for day to day transactions and just a little extra. When people come in asking for rolls of change that digs into the buffer and the bank can be at risk of having to tell their business accounts that they are unable to provide them with the coin they need. The bank doesn't want to take the risk of annoying a large business account to satisfy a CRH or non-customer wanting change. I think you kind of missed the point of my post. All businesses are in it to make money. That's a given. However, as a Bank, it is part of your duty to handle money. If you're not able to handle money, then by definition, you're not a Bank. When you put your money in a Bank, they're going to invest that money so it can make them a profit. A well-managed Bank takes into account what is going on daily in their branch. When they add a new CRH to the mix, tellers will typically ask if this is "going to be a regular event." If you say "yes," in my experience the bank will simply make sure they order enough coins to satisfy the new, higher demand for coins. Handling rolled coins is just part of the cost of doing business. If they can't handle rolled coins and/or currency, then they're not a Bank. They're effectively a Savings and Loan or some other type of financial institution.
CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Could be their policy to hassle any non-customer who walks in the door, maybe they think that will make you want to open an account there. You mean the Bank of America model? LOL.
CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2915 Posts |
Quote: I agree, and at the same time, banks are some of the largest corporations in the world, and they earn plenty of profit, and to deny some poor slob who 1. traveled to the bank, and 2. walked in, and 3. stood on line, and 4. on a one-time-basis asks for change, and is denied, is just horrible business practice imo. It's not like we are taxing their labor or overhead. I could see it if it's done all the time, that would be different, but these are isolated one time experiences we are talking about. Maybe the banks are right, and can make and enforce any policy they want, but there are friendlier banks out there, and that's where I do my business. I owned a people service business, and we did small things for people for free all the time. Just part of overhead. This is just common sense to me, but then again, look what's going on in the world I think you're reading my mind again, Ed.
CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2915 Posts |
Quote: Banks exist for one reason, to make money. They are private businesses, not governmental organizations, and therefore have no obligation to anyone not doing business with the bank. So it is completely within their rights to deny service to a non-account holder who is looking to do a transaction that make the bank no money. However, it is good customer service to be helpful at least once or twice in the hopes that the person does eventually open an account. Or just charge a small service fee to non-account holders. In the situation one person mentioned of trying to get change for their business and being refused, that really is ridiculous (assuming you were an account holder) as that is a legitimate service offered by a bank.
Keep in mind a CRH is trying to make money on the transaction in the sense that he or she is paying face value for coins but looking for ones that are worth more than face value. In other words they are saying to the bank "I'd like you to, without compensation, spend the time and effort to exchange dollars for rolls of coins that I am getting in the hopes that I can profit by finding coins of value that you didn't realize were there". For an account holder, someone you are making money off of, sure, why not? For a random person off the street? Yeah, I can see the reluctance. The problem is there are some banks, such as Bank of America, who will treat their own customers like crap. To get them to deal with coins oftentimes is worse than pulling teeth... Because of my bad experiences with them (and other family members' bad experiences with them) they won't getting my business ever again. Chase is also not all that good with their own customers in my experience. Whereas other banks, such as Wells Fargo and CitiBank, have no problem handling non-customers and giving them rolled coins. They see the big picture, and realize if they treat their non-customers well, they might get them as a customer someday. If they get them to open a savings/checking account, they might get them into a Loan, or an Investment Account at some point which will make them some money.
CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: A bank is a business, first and foremost. Their mission is to earn a profit. Handling money incurs a cost, so to maximize profit they minimize the handling of money. End of story. Very true, jbuck. The key is how well does the bank manage themselves? A well-managed bank is going to look into all feasible ways to maximize profit. Adding new account holders is one of those ways. By helping out a non-account holder, they just might get them into a savings and/or checking account at some point. And they might end up taking out a loan with that bank someday if they're happy with their experience there. That's precisely what happened with me and my current bank. The customer service at both of their branches was outstanding, and so I decided to reward them for it.
CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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 United States
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Quote: Adding new account holders is one of those ways. Yes, big, deep pocket, corporate account holders. The schmo off the street who barely manages to keep a minimum balance in savings just to have "free" checking? Not so much. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I go to several different banks in my area. I have accounts in several of them for numerous reasons. It is easy to just open a savings account with a minimum amount and let it sit. This way you always have the ability to say Yes, I do have an account here. And too remember that many banks do not report interest on accounts where less than $10 in interest per year to the IRS so having several accounts pays off in savings on taxes. And it makes it easier to get coins when needed. However, lately BOA has been going to more and more indoor cash stations where coinage is not available.
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