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Curiouser And Curiouser (Elephant Coins Of The Satavahanas)

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Further down the rabbit hole we go.

In the heart of the Deccan highlands of India, there existed an empire by the name of the Satavahanas. They controlled a reasonable territory for anywhere between 250 and 500 years, from no earlier than 275 BC until no later than 220 AD.

Satakarni is listed as the third king of this dynasty, reigning for 56 years in either the first century BC or the first or second century AD. His coins are plentiful, and not terribly expensive. They feature an elephant with his name in the Prakrit script. The reverse is the "Ujjain symbol", four circles with dots arranged on a + or x symbol.

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Now here is the fun one:

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Clearly a derivative from the same region, but not the same:

- This coin is paper thin, very unlike the chunky Satakarni bronze
- Heavy flow lines and the odd protrusion following the reverse design lead me to believe this coin was struck at VERY high temperatures, possibly even blurring the line between struck and cast.
- The elephant is highly stylized and the legend is blundered
- The reverse is not the Ujjain symbol, but rather a ring of six circles around a seventh central circle. Of interesting note is that the name "satavahana" is believed to be a reference to the seven horses which draw the chariot of the sun god Surya.

What's it all mean? Is this a barbarous copy? Unattributed king or vassal? I don't know, but it is fun to investigate! Feel free to chime in or share any examples or knowledge!
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No knowledge here, but thanks for sharing. Interesting topic.
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Neat coins. Here's a group shot of some similar, with varying degrees of abstraction (none as severely abstracted as yours, though, Steve):

http://www.coinnetwork.com/profiles...n-coins-1-st

Some of the Ujjain symbols have degenerated to unattached circles.
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A very interesting coin and one that I have no knowledge of. I would contact Pankaj Tandon of Coin India I'm sure he would know. He has a site of Facebook for Indian Coins.
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Thanks for sharing, Bob!

Very curious that many of the examples in that photo have more than one Ujjain symbol on them... the closest parallel I can think of would be the Livonian solidii that were struck on a sheet of dies and then punched out, sometimes leaving a little bit of the neighboring coin's design on the finished product.

I wonder if these "thin fabric" coins were made by dripping molten or soft metal onto a sheet, and then hammering the obverse by hand on top of the drips?

I can't think of any other explanation of why the circle on the reverse of this coin causes a "spur" on an otherwise reasonably round flan.

The seller I bought both of these from has sold nearly 250 of these in the past 60 days, and the variety in these is mindboggling. "Official" looking ones tend to be either like the one I posted above, or with a slightly different elephant and legend (I think two kings produced this design), and degenerates tend to fall into crude copies of official issues, "stick figure" elephants like mine (most extreme was a series of lines on the coin), and the tiny little elephant with the scrunched legend (some have legends, others just have lines).

Sadly, these seem to be getting more popular, so I couldn't afford a true variety of these.

I think AncientNoob has posted these before... maybe he will come along to clear things up.
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Took six months, but I found a tenative attribution for the "abstracted" second coin:

https://www.marudhararts.com/e-auct...region-.html

Not sure how long that link will be up, so here is the (short) Wikipedia article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaj...ri_Satakarni

Yajna Sri Satakarni
Ruled 29 years in ca. 151-199 (dates uncertain)
Potin unit or fractional
Banvasi region/mint

Yajna Satakarni was one of the final Satavahana kings, succeeded by perhaps two or three Kings before the empire collapsed in ca. 220. At any rate, he is regarded as the last great Satavahana king, recovering a large amount of territory from the Western Satraps.
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