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Although kind of cool, unless it's struck on a gold planchet, some can make many copies of this coin as you see the German mint colourizing all kinds of RCM coins, a large coin or bullion dealer in your city should have a XRF machine ask nicely. |
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If the post office has displayed this particular set, with light only shining on the reverse, I am not surprise that is the only side toned. Besides, if the Mint accidentally gold plated this coin, shouldn't the obverse also got plated?  |
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I think any decent coin dealer would have an answer without any machine or even taking it out of the case. If they are stumped as well, I'd look for a second opinion. To me, it just seems so highly unlikely that it could've left the mint as it appears now. Without the rather large crack in the case, it would be more baffling but this theory seems more likely than anything else.
Best advice I can give, take it to several reputable coin dealers and see what they think.
Worst case, you bought a busted case that toned your silver in a cool way.
Best case, you have a one of a kind, pure gold coin, (with silver plating). I'm being optimistic today. Wishful thinking.
It looks nice but if it's just toning, I don't see the set selling at a premium because the case is cracked.
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Also if you zoom in on the image posted on Page #2
It's not uniformly gold.
There are small blotches of silver showing through, especially surrounding the boat's sails and the heads of the 2 men on the right.
If I were you, Id go back to the post office and return if it's not too late!
Edited by wilsonwu89
08/25/2016 10:26 pm
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It's not uniformly gold.
There are small blotches of silver showing through, especially surrounding the boat's sails and the heads of the 2 men on the right. I agree , looks like a case of toning , no gold plating. Guess I should add, some collectors collect toned coins, still maybe hope for a bit of premium over the normal silver non toned version if marketed the right way on ebay.  Edited by Northerncoins
08/25/2016 10:41 pm
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Northerncoins,
Since people collect radar bills at a premium, I'm sure you're dead on about toned SD. But I'd put it in a new case.
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Great thread
If I remember correctly, on one of the recent Toronto shows (in the Library), I saw 2006 Sterling Silver Loonie (with Teddy Bear) out of set and it was completely (perfectly) yellow, like layered with gold.
The guy, who has it, brought it to show to one of the members here, and then again took away. The owner was sure, that it rare error.
Perhaps it was the same case - nice toning....
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If it's just a matter of natural toning, I'm curious how that might have occurred in such a brief period of time. The Special Edition Proof set was available May 9th, only three and a half months ago. For example, the post office, is the display stand very near a window with the sun shining on it? Had the box been opened, the case cracked upon purchase or any other indication it was a display item? The plastic case is covered with a thin protective seal when RCM packages it, had that been removed? Jake222, if you might offer some background information such as that, it'd be interesting, possibly to attempt to replicate. I have several toned SDs from proof sets but none have ever toned a solid gold colour. After 20 or 30 years, at most about a 1/2 inch of varied shading around the rim however they've been stored away from daylight. |
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What puzzles me a bit in all the replies here:
- the set was bought at the post office. It sounds strange to me that a post office would tamper with a set like this one. My experience is that most post office employees couldn't care less for coins sets.
- time can tone coins, but this coin is a 2016 dollar. Unless this coin has already been prepared well over a decade ago (which I doubt) I'm not convinced that it's natural toning. But then again: why would someone crack the case and tamper with it before having it sold as a regular set at the post office?
- I'm not convinced that it's 'regular' silver shining through at the head. It might be the reflection of the light. Coin photography is still a difficult art.
My little grey cells need to do a bit more work. Maybe check with the Canadian Mint to hear if they know any more?
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Thanks for all the replies, the coin set was never on display ,the box that the set came in is a little crimped on the crack side witch give me the indication that it was dropped...As I look at it in my hands its very shinny, if it was toned wouldnt it be dull (I never seen one toned) .I can return it no problem but before I fo it ill dig a little bit more.Thanks for your input..
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Welcome @ jake222
What if someone purchased this set, took the original silver dollar that it came with and then put in a fake and returned the set? Is this at all possible anyone? When dealing with the local post office, not a lot of the workers there are aware of what the coins should look like. It is totally different when purchasing online at Canada Post or directly from a reputable dealer.
Could this be what has happened since the ones with very good eyes have noticed a crack. I don't know because, I too, am a newbie and started collecting only in 2014. I am not familiar with this set as I do not have one. I am just asking if this could be a possibility.
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08/26/2016 1:20 pm
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as wildflower has already pointed out, the 25c and 50c appear to be specimen finish, and not proof finish.
Jake, can you post pictures (nice big ones) of all the coins? (both sides) please.
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On the topic of toning, in general. Whether or not artificially toning (AT) silver coins to intentionally enhance their appearance is an acceptable practise is a hot topic of discussion on the circulation side of circulation collecting. Since naturally toned circulation coin often command a price premium, the line is crossed when AT is used to fleece the buyer. However since present day silver NCLT is sold in secure and airtight capsules or cases by RCM, toning is virtually a nonissue, far less common than milk spots or minting quality. Some excellent examples of AT on US proof coins, certified by PCGS. Notice the solid "gold" coloured #4193. http://www.PCGS.com/SetRegistry/sho...aspx?sc=2512Had a Proof Set such as the topic of this thread been bought from an unknown private seller for a high price, proclaiming it to contain a one-of-a-kind gold-plated mint error especially because it was not certified by a TPG, the obvious consensus would be the buyer was most likely deceived. Or if it were bought on the premise of natural solid gold toning, considering the short time period of three months, I think any of us who also collect proof sets over the longterm would be highly sceptical. It seems it's very quick and easy to AT a silver coin to any colour under the rainbow and learning of the various methods is searchable though google. While the OPs scenario remains a head-scratcher since it involves a post office, the point of my comment is I'd not want to see a flurry of high priced AT silver dollars in 2016 Special Edition Proof set or any other AT NCLT suddenly appear on ebay and this CCF thread become automatic and unquestionable validation of their "natural" authenticity. CCF has provided an admirable and important educational role in protecting the hobby in general, including individual collectors from being scammed, and I'd hope that will always continue. |
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I think its pretty much all been said already and we don't need this thread turning into a debate about toning.
There are only a few reasons why this coin is the way it is:
1) mint error, it is a real gold coin (plated or solid) Need to be cracked open and tested (xrf) and weighed
2) coin set was previously bought and returned with a fake coin (or third party plating)
3) the coin is toned (whichever NT or AT)
However if we disregard the gold elephant in the case, there is still a second mystery about the quarter and the 50 cent piece being not correct for the set as well.
I think the OP needs to take the final steps and take the set to a local coin shop and have them look at the set.
Until he does this or reaches out to someone from the forum who may have an XRF just laying around on their desk who can finally put an end to this I think any more discussion is moot.
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The 25c and 50c look proof to me.
I think it's just the lighting that affected the appearance of the coins.
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