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Decadrachm, What Kind Of Fake?

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 Posted 09/07/2016  05:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Annevdz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I got this decadrachm from a Syrian boy, It must be a fake, but does anyone know what kind of fake?

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@annevdz, first welcome to CCF. Second, while it isn't my area of expertise, yes it looks cast to me rather than struck. There is a strong "made for tourism" manufacturing business and this is one of the most faked coins. Here is a link showing what the real coins look like, along with some history:

http://athenianowlcoins.reidgold.com/
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Whoever made this did a good job. The details are very good along with the patina. The roughness on the edge and surface could be caused by the environment. I would be interested in knowing the size and weight of the piece. I could see where this could fool a novice collector.
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It's 36 mm, I have to weigh it.
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Ok, its 23 grams and 36 mm.
So definetly a fake, but there are also 'special' fakes... Antique ones made by artists some centuries ago etc.. Since it really doesn't look like a modern fake, does anyone have more knowledge?
I also got cylinder seal with it, which is authentic. I think it's recovered in Apamea, near Qa'at al Madiq in Syria.
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I would guess it to be a more recent one. I would think if it were and ancient copy it would be closed to normal weight. At 23 grams it is half the weight of a decadrachm of that period.
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...but there are also 'special' fakes... Antique ones made by artists some centuries ago etc...

Contemporary counterfeits are, of course, valuable ancient artifacts in their own right and can easily be worth as much as, if not more than, the genuine article. This is not a contemporary counterfeit. They are closer than this to the genuine weight, and don't look this nice since they usually have a base-metal core that has corroded through in spots.

There are some famous counterfeits of more modern times. "Becker" counterfeits from the 1700s are, likewise, historic artifacts with niche collector market. This isn't a Becker, or a Paduan, or from any other modern famous counterfeiter. Such pieces often differ very much in style and design from genuine coins, since they were usually copied from drawings or with designs extrapolated from very worn coins. You also won't find them in Syria, since Becker and friends made their coins in Europe, for sale to European collectors, and very few of them have ever left Europe.

No, sadly, this piece is a "tourist copy". Such pieces are usually copies of copies: someone goes to a local museum, buys a museuim replica, and makes copies of that replica. It was most likely made sometime in the last decade or so, probably. They have little interest to a modern collector, except as an example of the type of fake.
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