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Found 1 Cent 1859 In Light Weight And Thickness

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I have found few of Canadian 1 cent coins 2 of them are of 1859. one of them is heavily circulated as shown but still have readable inscription but what I notice is that the weight significantly different. it is 2 grams on one and 4 on the other. can this be normal?
bu the way the better coin has crack on R of Victoria and I of Regina also minor cracks here and their. its also show double C of Canada and some separated leaves.
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 Posted 09/11/2016  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone dissolved away half its weight in acid, will be smaller around too
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Oh, that is a very good reason that I did not think of, thank you for the information
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Haxby OBV39a REV J2a for the first 1
Cheers Don

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"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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The first one should be closer to 4.5 grams, since there is very little wear. When they came up with the weight & diameter for the Canadian large cent, a great deal of thought went into it. Each coin, when new, was exactly one inch in diameter and weighed exactly one ounce, so 12 coins was a foot long and 16 weighed a pound ... the English system. The Canadian large cent was exactly the same diameter as the Brit half penny, but the 1858/1859's were about 1/3 lighter. Starting in 1876, the diameter and weight of the Canadian cent was back to the same as the Brit half penny.
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I agree with fourmack, your first coin is Haxby variety 39a6 (39a+J2a). The 9 is closer to the 5 on the J2a reverse, as you show on the photograph. Nice coin.

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You might want to visit Dr. Haxby's website about 1859 narrow 9 cents. http://www.vickycents.com
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Thank you everyone for these helpful information. I wouldn't be able to figure this out on my own. now I have some more information to include in the title and description when I list for sale. it is an amazing place with friendly members.
as for the short space between 9 and 5 is that what makes it called narrow 9?
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"Each coin, when new, was exactly one inch in diameter and weighed exactly one ounce, so 12 coins was a foot long and 16 weighed a pound ... the English system."

Okie, Not to sure if this is correct. I thought there were 100 coins to the pound.

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Yes, hounddog .. I wrote this very early in the morning and it IS 100 to a pound. My mental calculator got haywire. As a Yank, I get all your grams and kilo stuff confused.

BOSE117 ... It is called a "narrow 9" because, decades ago, a variety of the very first 1859's was called a "wide 9". They didn't have the reverse matrix/hub manufactured yet that had the 1859 date to make new working dies. To start off the 1859 mintage year, they took a larger font ( punch and changed 13 of the 1858 working dies so that they now read 1859, but you could see the underpunched 8 around the 9. The 9 was physically larger than the rest of the digits, so it was initially called a "wide 9" but now is known as an 1859/8. The Royal Mint (London because they struck Canada coins before 1908)took the 1858 matrix/hub and ground out the final digit 8. The hub then just had 185_ in relief (raised) with the rest of the design elements to stamp out & make the 1859 working dies. Every working die (there were over 100 reverse dies) then had the final digit 9 handpunched into the die. Since it took 2-4 whacks with the punch to fully impress the 9 into the die (sometimes hours, days or weeks apart because the die had to be softened and the punch hardened, you will have all kinds of spacing differences between the 5 and the 9, as well as nearly 100 variances of evidence that the 9's weren't struck exactly on top of each other. The 1859 large cents are a collecting journey all in itself. Some people just collect that date and nothing more .. tracking each and every difference in the many many dies and die marriages (the obverse to the reverse). Go to Haxby's site and see the mystery unfold.
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Thank you okiecoiner. I checked the website it is little complected for a rookie like me. you guys healped me with sufficient information. and that's more than what I could find myself.
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