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Ancient Greek Coins Theft From Greece

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 Posted 10/06/2016  11:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add garys64wildcat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Saw the news 10/5 about ancient Greek coins being dug up at night and being sent out of country illegally and are owned by the greek govt. aprox. 2000+ coins.

I'm not into ancients, just a comment about the theft for your information. 900 BC area coins
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 Posted 10/06/2016  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Old news, really.

Just off the top of my head, Spain, Greece, and Israel have laws that do not necessarily prohibit the finding of ancient coins, but any found coins can not be kept, and certainly cannot be sold.

I wholeheartedly agree that if you stumble on a potentially historic hoard, you should call in the professionals--the placement and composition of hoards is how we know how the ancient world worked, and the proper excavation is absolutely necessary.

However, people find coins in the "old world" like we find arrow heads here in the US. 99% of them are just one-off finds with zero archaeological value, and negligible collector value. Imagine if your kids found an arrow head, and you were required by law to go to the police station and hand it over, or face fines.

Just about anybody with interest in such finds goes out and does it anyway. I have bought enough ancient coins from Europe with fudged customs declarations to attest.
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The Greek bazaars that have hundreds of table top sellers (including lots of non-ancient coins) also have dozens of "side sellers" who pull tourists aside to offer them bargains.

When I mentioned an interest in coins I was swarmed the rest of the day by kids to old ladies selling fake ancients.

Never saw a real ancient except in the museums.
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It's even worse for precious metal coins, where the sheer hassle involved in legally dealing with finds means one of the most likely results is the coins being melted - in which case everyone loses out (even the collectors).

Also on the OP - I'm pretty sure there wasn't anybody making coins yet in 900 BC. Either they're not really coins, it's a typo, or I interpreted something incorrectly.
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Here is a link to the story.


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Police said they confiscated more than 2,000 relics that were dug up in various parts of Greece, mostly coins from as early as the 6th century B.C.



http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...uggling.html
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One of the great difficulties in a country like Greece is that in almost any urban setting you can dig a hole and find "stuff".
I have not been to Greece since the 1970's but I do distinctly recall walking around Athens and noticing that almost every home seemed to be undergoing "home improvements" i.e. a wheel barrow and other items neatly arranged beside the structure and a few piles of dirt visible.

Being young and curious I could not help but doing a wee bit of 'pillaging' myself. On a tour group to Corinth I strolled behind the group being led through various points of interest. While walking I noticed a pebble that looked different. I picked it up and noticed that not only was it made of white marble but quite clearly had a toe nail carved into it ! I dropped it into my pocket. Later while visiting the Corinth museum I saw a statue with 9 toes. The presence of a bored looking guard sitting next to it restrained me from reaching into my pocket ! Greece at the time had a military government and doing so would have been asking for trouble.
The next day we visited the ancient city of Mycenae ! Just inside the lion gate are the huge Bronze Age tombs excavated by 'Henry' Schliemann. While the rest of the group stared down the now empty shafts I looked behind me. The actual slag heaps left by Henry sat there undisturbed. Again I noticed strange looking pebbles. Discreetly I collected a small handful of small pottery shards (with decorations !) and added them to my pocket.
When we left I 'stashed' the treasures in a side pocket of my suitcase. Good thing too !
At the airport security was tight ! Terrorism being a great problem back in the 70's (and 80's .... and 90's ...... and 00's ...... and 10's) I was led into a curtained off area and thoroughly searched !

I arrived back home with my loot which I gave to my older brother. I had not yet developed the collecting bug. Maybe someday I shall return !
And pillage my way across the tourist sites ......
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