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How Does 200+ Year Old Silver Stay Blast White?

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Saw this coin while sifting through ebay. I consider myself a fairly advanced collector but I don't understand something about this coin (and some others I've seen). I have a question to ask the CCF experts.

How do coins like this remain almost blast white for over 200 years without cleaning? Or, has this coin been dipped before? I know certain environmental conditions are better than others for preventing tarnish, but how could it have gone all this time under just the right conditions. Let your opinions begin.

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They don't. It surely has been dipped. That being said, if it was handled correctly, it would not classify it as a "cleaned" or details coin.
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thats a wow piece. its the small date type which is less rare than the large.
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No evidence of cleaning visible. The rolling luster is destroyed the minute you put a silver coin in even a 1/3 percentage dip for a very brief time.

If you metal detect, you know that is more common for a silver coin to come out of the ground white, rather than toned.

If you collect ancient coins you know that a coin pack (from being in a jar, for example) will show almost no tone on the center coins.

White is not automatic evidence of cleaning in my book.
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Most unusual for sure, but certainly a beauty!
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All I know is ....

I would love to have that coin in my collection.
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WOW is right!
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That is one gorgeous coin.
How a coin that old stays white is also something which amazes me.
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That's prestine
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I think the slight gold rim toning gives it character. Better that completely blast white, thought it is a matter of opinion of course. Still envious...
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If it was cleaned,why wouldn't NGC put that on the label?
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It was dipped. If done right, there is no way to tell except for the fact that it is blast-white. These are considered problem-free, though I'd pass until a more-original coin comes along.
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Many of you are confirming my thoughts. To me, the fact that it is that old and bright white make it less desirable. Don't get me wrong, it is an amazing coin and I would love to own it. However, it would be more attractive to my eye if it showed original toning.
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Amazing. What was the selling price?
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Here is another of the same grade with toning that seems more believable. Same grade of MS-66. It is also twice the price. The white one is $22,600 asking price and the one below is $58,850 if I remember correctly.

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Coins in mint bags generally stay untoned - the GSA horde wasn't tampered with in any way and the vast majority were blast white when GSA slabbed them.
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