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Is My 1893 CC Morgan Dollar A Fake?

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Hi all,

I've had this Morgan dollar since I was a kid. I started collecting coins at a young age. My folks gave me this as a present for my 9th birthday. I recently got back into coin collecting and noticed all the fake Morgan claims on the internet. I uploaded some pictures with different backgrounds. All these pics are of the same coin. Any help from this knowledgeable community would be greatly appreciated!

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to CCF Mike. Unfortunately, yours is a Chinese cast counterfeit. Here is a site with photos of all the die pairings for authentic Morgan dollars for comparison. http://www.vamworld.com/1893-CC+VAMs
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The mintmark looks incorrect. Other than that, it looks like a worn, cleaned Morgan, which is pretty scary.
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The first two things you can do yourself to determine authenticity is to check it with a magnet and then weigh it. If it is magnetic or the weight significantly deviates from 26.73 grams, then you know for certain that it is a fake. Very very few counterfeits are made to the correct weight with the proper silver alloy.
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Just to adjust biokemists advice a touch, a real heavily worn Morgan will be significantly under that weight as well but we're talking loss of much of the detail type wear
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Thanks for the responses. The weight is 26.2 grams and the coin is NOT magnetic.
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It's a fake just based on the mintmark and the date position.
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I don't like jumping in a calling a coin fake ...I also think it is fake.

Hard to get by how the mint mark looks
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150% fake GR
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@cascade, thank you for the response, but what does GR stand for? Sorry if I'm not familiar with all the lingo. Also I just went through all my Morgan and Peace dollars and found 4 that came in underweight including the CC. I purchased most of these back in the late eighties from a local coin dealer that had been in business for a long time. Are there any other American coin types that are commonly counterfeited? Here's a pic the ones that were underweight.


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Here's a better view of each of the suspect coins.

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Definitely a fake and hope ya didn't have too much in it. Since so long ago maybe not. That is my biggest fear of collecting is getting fake ones.
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@derek ostrom No I didn't have much in them. The cool part is many of them are in the original sleeve. So you can see the price I paid for them in the mid to late eighties. That said it just makes me mad. My siblings would request toys for their birthdays and Christmas. My list for Santa was a specific coin. I would save up my allowance to buy these. The coin shop was my candy store. Now I've got to go through the process of weighing everything and determining the real ones from the fakes.
I've got some cool stuff in here. 1854 half dollar, 1868 Three Cent, 1847 one cent, to name a few. Thanks for the response.
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Check the thickness of the '93-CC. The counterfeiters would make the cast fakes thicker than real Morgans to get the weight close to normal.
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@dave700x , I thought of this but I need to buy a caliper. Yesterday I compared the thickness to my morgans that weighed-in properly and they seemed to be about the same. I will pick up some calipers today. I also need to get a more accurate scale with the extra decimal. I picked up the cheap one I'm using from my local 'head shop'. Apparently the only people who use gram scales these days are the local dope dealers.
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