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Interesting Afternoon With The XRF

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 Posted 10/26/2016  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JHax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I, too, owned a genuine brass cent. It (a F15, but not the one Rob has) cost me the princely sum of $100 back in the 1970s.
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 Posted 10/26/2016  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SPP ...Yes I would think that some of the planchets must have been just partially brass. But, as you know from our study a few years ago, it doesn't take much to have something classified as brass rather than bronze. We put an artificial alloy mix for the study to say when it was still bronze. There were a few that you XRF'd from the 500-600 samples that were getting fairly close to being brass. I would love to informally (email) get the % alloy that you got in the 2 XRF's that you did here.
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 Posted 10/26/2016  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool thread...SPP what does the metal breakdown look like for one of these coins and are they consistent to each other. Or this info reserved for the article?
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Having seen a couple higher graded version of this variety from a famous BC collector, don't really see the high value of these coins but markets speak.
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 Posted 10/26/2016  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I offered to test the coins for that BC collector (in the name of numismatic research)... I never got a reply...

I would not necessarily call him "famous" however...
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 Posted 10/26/2016  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alright maybe famous was a bit too much.
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 Posted 10/26/2016  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Were the blanks for the 1859 cents produced by The Royal Mint or were they supplied by an outside source ?
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The Royal Mint contracted out the making of 10 million one-cent blanks to the Heaton and Sons Mint in Birmingham.
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 Posted 10/26/2016  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You all should remember that the Canadian Cent was going to be the same diameter as the Brit halfpenny, but 1/3 thinner. They also were going to made out of bronze, NOT copper, as were all the rest of the small Brit denominations (farthing, halfpenny and penny). The bronze required for the Canadian cent would have been a new product alloy for Heaton. ASlso remember that there are some brasses (naval and medalic) that are up to 95% copper but the majority of the other metals is zinc.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@JHax.

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I, too, owned a genuine brass cent


Did you have it authenticated?.. and, if you did, great price..
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 Posted 10/28/2016  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
question if a collector had one of these coins. that the only thing visible on the coin is queen Victoria. would that coin have any value.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i was wondering also. could it be possible to have a 1884 Canadian penny made out of bronze. would that have any value. if it is bronze
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 Posted 10/28/2016  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
rocky, did you mean brass? Because all large cents (except the ones like in this post :P) are bronze.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sorry my mistake Paulsz yes brass. I had some thing happen to me today. that has never happen to me before. I was on a game trail walking. I had a large bear drop out of a oak tree. landing right beside me. it happen so fast I never moved. he almost fell on top of me. I was just telling my wife. when I typed the wrong metal. she said did you try the bear spray. I said I would have if I could have moved fast enough. I keep thinking why did I not see him in the tree. when he hit the ground he stood up. I looked up into his eyes. I thought this is going to be bad. he run away roaring. I thought thank you. I am out of here,,, now.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow... that's pretty intense :S I'm glad it turned out okay though.

Edit: To answer your question, yes a brass 1884 would be valuable and pretty rare. But I'm not sure if the 1859 is a variety or if it was just an error. The 1884 brass version would be (if existing) an error of metal composition.

just my opinion
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