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After viewing the PCGS videos on fake coins I took another look at this Seated dollar. What worries Me is the date and the indentations around the head and above the "ONE". And also the weak strike/mushyness of the Eagles head. The "8" of 1871 looks to big too. Is it real?   |
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Valued Member
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IN all the other pictures I can find of 1871 there are no others with that enlarged 8. I think you are right to be concerned about that 8.
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been looking @ the varieties for this date & none are what you have.
Not a bad looking 'feit, but that '8' is glaring.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like the fields are artificially toned to cover the casing sand on the coin. These were counterfeited even way back then. So there are a lot of fakes out there.
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Rest in Peace
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Maybe it's just the angle that the photo is taken, but the denticles (especially on the obverse) just about make me dizzy.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Has to be wrong. Aside from the "8", Liberty's face does note look correct.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Very interesting coin. Some of the details look pretty good. Then some areas look odd. It would be a good coin to have some Seated coin experts take a look at. Or sent in to a TPG. |
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Quote:MVC: Have you weighed this coin? Done a magnet test? This site lists the varieties currently known with pictures http://www.seateddollarvarieties.com/1871.shtml Its weight is 26.71g.RedBook =26.73g Non-magnetic Thanks for the site.I went there before I posted here and I couldn't match up any of the obverse or reverse PUP to this coin.Which sent up red flags.  ,ahh,  I wanted to get some expert opinions so here I am. According to W. Breen's Encyclopedia,it states:"Doubling on G W T of motto,1866-73,is in the hub;differences arise from the individual working dies were hand strengthened and/or repolished." So,if I am read this correctly,then all of the working dies would be doubled as well,and all of the '66's-'73's should show the doubling on G W T,in various states? |
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It seems that it does have some notching in the upper right of "G" and upper left of "W". The upper left of "T",seems weakly struck,like the ones at SDV. So I don't know.  Quote:GR58: Very interesting coin. Some of the details look pretty good. Then some areas look odd. It would be a good coin to have some Seated coin experts take a look at. Or sent in to a TPG.  Who/where would be a good place to find out? Should I try posting over at LSDV and see what they say? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Who/where would be a good place to find out? For me the first place I check for experts, is at local coin shops. They might have a expert, on Seated dollars, at the shop or know of local ones. Also check for local coin clubs. Then there are coin shows, check to see where/when the nearest ones to you are. Then keep asking dealers until you find a expert. Another option is send the coin into ANACS for authentication and grading. ANACS is the least expensive of the top three grading companies. They are good for authentication. If I had the coin I would have it checked by a IR-xray. it would tell exactly what the silver/metal content is. But you might not have access to one of those. As other have posted .. my eyes are really drawn to the date. Problem is most of us don't see enough Seated dollarsto learn what is normal .. and what is not. The closest I have to that your date is this one.   You should be able to see how the date has a different look. |
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Nice coin!Now,I would have no problems with that one.  I did take it back to the LCS and told them of My concerns.He let Me look at His W.Breen book and jokingly said if it's a counterfeit they would have to confiscate it.And I would be out of a lot of money.He also said that it could be a one of a kind.But,I think that's a long shot.In the end,He said that if I don't like a coin He will buy it back.So that's what I'll probably do after I post over at LSDV forums.Thanks everyone! |
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Bedrock of the Community
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That is a tough call.
I would have thought he would offer to send it in to be
authenticated.
Looking at a coin like this, is easier with the coin in hand.
For me I am not 100% sure it is fake. But for the kind
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money this coin cost, you want to be sure.
Every time I look at the date on the coin you posted
I cant stop thinking how odd it looks.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:
GR58:That is a tough call.
I would have thought he would offer to send it in to be
authenticated. I asked Him about that and He said that I would have to know,and indicate,what exactly is going on with the coin,before I sent it in in order for them to authenticate it.  I think He just didn't want to admit it is a fake and have to refund My money.But We'll see. Quote:
GR58:Looking at a coin like this, is easier with the coin in hand.
For me I am not 100% sure it is fake. But for the kind
of
money this coin cost, you want to be sure.
Every time I look at the date on the coin you posted
I cant stop thinking how odd it looks. I'll join over at LSDV and post it.Hopefully they can shed some new light on it. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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All of the dies would have been dated using the same four digit logotype.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I stopped into a shop this afternoon. They had a 1871 SL dollar.
The date on that coin looked normal compared to the 1871 posted.
Unless someone can verify a reason the date is different on this coin.
I am now leaning to it being fake.
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