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Norway
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I would be very happy to learn how you found out that this coin is 100% certain a fake. I can't see it on the photo and I haven't found an explanation yet in this thread. How does your source know it's fake? The only possible indication I found so far is that the H of the mint mark is a bit different than it should be, although it also may be the light. I can give my Two Cents (you'd still have 3 to go on this coin)... the faces of this coin are known to have issues. The text looks weak, but that can also be due to the same issue causing the weird faces. That's nothing new. You're also looking at a coin from 1940 from a relatively anonymous British protectorate somewhere far from Britain. It was made during a severe crisis period, during war time (all of North Borneo really got a hard time during that war and Britain wasn't able to defend it at all). I do know from more such areas that quality control on coins wasn't what it used to be. That may already explain the 0.14 gram of weight difference. Otherwise the coin actually looks as it should, from what I can see on the pictures... In addition, 1940 had a mintage of 500.000 and was common. A forger who spent 2 minutes of research would have chosen 1927 or 1928, as 1922 is the rarest year with just 100.000 pieces and thus probably much more under scrutiny. If I was a forger, I'd probably also choose a coin which would get me a lot more money than this coin's worth and which had a bigger market. Anyway, if this is a fake, then we can just stop the whole hobby as it would be by far the best fake I've seen in my life. Anyway, I'm really curious to learn more about this case! |
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 Singapore
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The forgers know that if a genuine coin is worth only 20-30 dollars, would someone bother to spend 40 dollars sending the coin in to get graded by a TPG ? |
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Hong Kong
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Numister, can you give larger, closer pictures to us for discussion. Hardly believe how you are so sure it is fake.
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Singapore
631 Posts |
I have my own 2 cents on why China has produced and continues to produce such high quality fakes: 1) China has a history of artisans copying the works of former great artists, the closer you could copy the more prestige you would receive. 2) China's relative poverty in the last 100+ years have made economic sense for a forger to spend so much time copying and researching a particular item as opposed to someone in the West who could work in McDonalds and earn more. 3) The rise of the internet and ebay has made selling their fakes easier and with anonymity. 4) Lastly, and most important the government does nothing. In the past, heads would roll if forgers were caught. |
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Brazil
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That British Borneo coin is unbelievable... If its really a Fake Coin we are in a doomsday scenario... Are you sure its not only weakly strike? Compared to a high resolution picture I found is all OK... http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11951.html |
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United States
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You are only telling us how China is successful in making fake products. NOTHING of what you are saying is answering the question:
What do you see on the coin that makes you so sure that it is fake. (examples include depressions, toolmarks, etc.)
Many of us want to know so we can prepare ourselves better. Also, none of us is an expert in this series, so we can't offer authenticity opinions on the style. We trust that you are more familiar with this issue than we are, so provide us specific facts about the coin in question so we are better able to address your concerns.
Edited by TypeCoin971793
10/30/2016 09:46 am
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1949 Posts |
I have handled many higher grade BNB pieces, in the past year, I came across a small hoard of 1928-H pieces in high UNC grades. A bunch of these were submitted to PCGS, and I believe the 3 pieces they use on their coin facts page are ones I sent in. If you check out those examples (MS66 & MS65's), even on those pieces, the head to the left is weak compared to the rest of the design. http://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=161394 Visually, I cannot see any diagnostics that jump out at me from the photos the OP submitted. I would love to have any additional diagnostic information on this, if it is indeed a counterfeit piece... |
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United States
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I wonder if we're being pranked.
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Valued Member
Malaysia
121 Posts |
Guys, I am more on collection of modern coins.
Am wondering how do you think 3D printing technology would one day change the entire World of Collectors?
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United States
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Am wondering how do you think 3D printing technology would one day change the entire World of Collectors? I don't see how 3D printing can convincingly fake the visible evidence of the striking process. |
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United States
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Singapore
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6370 Posts |
Interesting... What is the edge supposed to look like?
Thank you for those new photos. I am still unfamiliar with this issue, so what is off stylistically about it? I see that the edges of the devices are a bit rounded, but I don't know if that is normal.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1949 Posts |
Thanks for posting the new photos, I will try and find a high res image from another BNB 5 cent and see if there appear to be any differences which can be used as diagnostics
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Singapore
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11/01/2016 02:18 am
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