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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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I have this coin in my collection of papal coins . It is a 5 baiocci coin of pope Pius IX dated 1850 ,struck at Rome .The weight (42 gr ) and the size (41 mm ) are correct and the coin is in the family since that time , so it has to be a contemporary fake . The coin is coppered , but I don t know what metal is inside . Any ideas ? albert   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm confused, you think this coin is fake because it's weight and diameter are correct? And what family has it been in? Yours?
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Pillar of the Community
 Belgium
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it has been in the family of my wife .On the coin , there is a copper shaat , broken on some places : on the reverse at 1 o'clock , between the 8 and R , on the obverse in the 2 right coats of arms and in the right decoration . In this cracks , I can see on other metal. albert
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Pillar of the Community
United States
865 Posts |
What color is the metal you see on the inside. From the pictures you provided, it looks real to me. If you can upload some more clear pictures, I'll be able to tell if it's a counterfeit.
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Moderator
 United States
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@albert, do you mean that when the inner metal of the coin is revealed through the surface cracks and cuts, that it is much darker?
Also, now that I have studied your coin in more detail, I do note that the numeral 1 in the date looks quite different from others that I see on the interwebs. This could be a known variation or else an indication that your coin is fake--I'm not sure which.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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From a casual glance, looks like a genuine piece with some planchet flaws.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If the weight and other dimensions are correct - why would anyone make it? Contemporary counterfeits made for circulation need some margin for profit - otherwise they will not be made.
A numismatic forgery might be possible but the age mitigates against that.
Planchet flaws makes better sense. If the surface of the planchet was work hardened then it is entirely possible that scratches on the surface could allow moisture to penetrate to a slightly softer core that corroded.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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thanks , I try to post detail pictures tomorrow , because monday I am leaving Antwerp fro about 10 days . albert
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
Bob, the planchet flaws are kind of similar to what you sometimes see on the contemporaneous (and also big but not this heavy) Naples/Sicily 10 tornesi. Interestingly enough, there are contemporary counterfeits of those (10 tornesi pieces). -------------- Inspired by this, was puttering around a bit with the tornesi coins... and stumbled on this knockoff of a 10 Baiocchi: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VATICANO-10...370314731087Edited by realeswatcher
10/23/2016 1:15 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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some more details : the inner metal is covered with a copper foil and not so dark. The coin has nothing special and is not valuable. albert    |
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Valued Member
Romania
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On NGC site is a coin with a similar 1 in date.
IMHO,the oxide is visible in the holes (white-greenish).
For me,seems hard to believe this is fake.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't really see a "foil" being involved. I think delamination caused by dirt and corrosion moving under the work hardened surface are a better answer.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
560 Posts |
Coin looks fine to me, and as above, age does take its toll on coins. And what was the metal value in 1850 when this was minted? I do not think this would have been worth the effort to counterfeit, when the silver coins could get more profit.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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here another picture .I did not know it that delamination existed in this way .Thanks to all for the help . albert  |
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