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I watched a few Great Collections auctions last night. Did a search on "toned" dollar coins. There were a couple Peace dollars, graded MS60-61, with rainbow toning. I'm sorry I didn't get pics, but one had a broad band of deep spectrum rainbow toning along the upper rim. The other had more of a pastel spectrum across the entire obverse. Both showed visible dings and rub on the higher elevations but there was also visible luster. I have read articles in which people opine that any rainbow Peace dollar is a fake; that said, these appeared legit to me (I'm no expert, but the color spectrum looked right, I did see pull away, and the toning varied over the elevations, and generally had the imperfections you'd expect from legit toning). Both went for a bit of a premium over the book price. So here's my question: how much of a premium would you pay for rainbow toning on coins other than Morgan's, such as Peace dollars? *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***
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Toned Peace dollars are harder to find hence bringing more of a profit, morgans are easier to find toned
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Rest in Peace
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The vast majority of graded piece dollars, even if you get into the MS 64-67 range are either lustrous, or have a single monotone "gray" tone, or are splotchy and blotchy and ugly. Finding truly beautiful toning on a Peace dollar is very difficult, regardless of the date or mint mark. I will say this, and it's a bit like saying something sacrilegious, but if the toning is in a PCGS holder I'd be more hesitant to believe it's real toning. NGC is much better about weeding out "helped" toning. I use a pretty simple rule for determining toning, myself - if it's gradual color change, especially if it radiates from the periphery, then I am much more inclined to believe it. If it is splotchy with color bounces here and there in no particular pattern and no progression to a pattern, I do not remain interested.
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Agree, moxking. By the way, the Peace dollar I mentioned on the other thread has a small amount of gold toning around the crown. Part of why I think it's so beautiful. But most PD's I've seen, if toned, are really kind of grotty looking. I am partial to PD's also. I guess I love the concept--they thought they'd fought the war to end all wars. PEACE!
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Rest in Peace
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Thanks for those,BH.
As far as eye appeal, first is nice, second I don't love, third I dislike.
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Yes, I could live with the first one very easily.
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Quote:I have read articles in which people opine that any rainbow Peace dollar is a fake; that said, these appeared legit to me (I'm no expert, but the color spectrum looked right, I did see pull away, and the toning varied over the elevations, and generally had the imperfections you'd expect from legit toning). I want to give you a heads up to stay away from the seller in the link below or coins that have similar toning. The seller is known for using gas to tone coins in holders. 282233028238
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Rest in Peace
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That guy is all kinds of bad news.
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In some cases, the seller has worked very hard to artificailly tone the coins he has to sell. He probably feels fully justified to be rewarded for his skill, and charges what he feels to be an approrpiate price. (Or suckers ebay bidders into paying his price).
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Agree with opinions on all three. The second might look better in hand, but the pic makes it look really odd, even tho I actually do like the colors. and yes, the first two were the coins I described. If I saw the third I passed right by. I think I would only buy a rainbow Peace dollar that was graded and slabbed. I know that doesn't rule out AT, but it would help my confidence.
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Peace dollars and 1921 morgans with exceptional color in PCGS, NGC or anacs slabs go for big bucks. They rarely tone like early morgans so when they do moon money is not unexpected
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For instance my avatar is a 1921s Morgan in PCGS 63. I had an offer of $1500 that I turned down
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I like the MS-61 the best...
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The 1921+ Peace and 1921 Morgan dollars were not stored in the conditions which allowed many earlier Morgan dollars to acquire some of their beautiful toning. Most of them tended to tone black and brown, and especially after 1921, the Peace dollars often had lots of white milky areas to further lower the eye appeal. Occasionally, some would tone a golden hue, which was slightly better. Numismatic legend also has it that the 1922 LR and later planchets were washed with an unusually strong acidic rinse before being struck into coins, which changed the chemical composition of the surface and made it less amenable to forming the spectacular rainbow and pastel hues seen on 1904 and earlier Morgan dollars. A very, very few were stored under the right conditions and environments, mostly the first year of issue, and those, when authentic, and actually on the market, tend to bring home-run bucks, as Cascade noted...I have seen attractively toned later date Peace dollars, but compared to Morgan dollars, the scarcity is much higher. The same thing goes for 1921-dated Morgan dollars, where specimens with attractive original toning tend to sell for way more than the grade would suggest, and don't often come on the market.
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