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1973 And 1989 Possible Rotated Die's

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I found these yesterday,but was having some problems with taking the pictures. These are the best I could get. I'll have to work on this kind of picture taking. But I don't think their rotated enough to be valuable,But I like them so into the keeper box the go. Thanks for looking and all advice is greatly appreciated!

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The 73 seems to be very minor and within tolerance. The 83 is a little more rotated, but still may be within tolerance.
Of course, if you like your pennies, you can keep your pennies.
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One way to photograph a rotated die is to place the coin in a 2x2 with 3 staples - one horizontal across the bottom and 2 at angles. When the opposite side is photographed, the rotation is easy to see. The degree of rotation can also be easily measured in a photo management program.
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Appears that both are fairly minor degrees of rotation and may fall within the level of tolerance.

But a lot of folks do look for these and enjoy collecting a date set of them.
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Tweezers are for stamps.
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They both look almost normal. The slight rotation is probably from die clashes that sometimes alter the correct setting. I figure 45 degrees before the are collectables. That would mean it would look like this:
1973-And-1989-Possible-Rotated-Die's If you had a square, a line from the two corners would be 45 degrees:
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Got bored and did an overlay using coops image and a rota-flip image. Looks like coop not only knows coins, but also a few angles. Thanks, Doug.

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Edit: "ROTA FLIP" by LEROY VAN ALLEN via http://rotateddies.50webs.com/meas.htm
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It is pretty basic math. You have a square with 4 90 degree corners. Split that in half and you have 45 degrees. The way I figure out what amount of rotation is to use Photoshop to rotate an image and when it is horizontal, then I know the amount it needed to be rotated to be horizontal. That is how I figure it. But that link does give a good tool to use.
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The way I figure out what amount of rotation is to use Photoshop to rotate an image and when it is horizontal, then I know the amount it needed to be rotated to be horizontal.


I've been doing the same using Photoshop Elements 9. It automatically places stationary vertical and horizontal gridlines across image. Degree of rotation can be applied or removed incrementally as needed following the grid.

PSE9 also came with a lot of fluffy stuff I don't currently use. I do use it for editing, overlays and rotations. Lots to learn yet.

Found this version lacks the ability to create and apply plain vector lines. Did not cost me anything so I'm not complaining. Thanks, Doug.

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Are you trying to create a grid?
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Here is what you need to get that. But it is not as effective as the side by sides I use.
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Thanks coop, now know one more thing I didn't before.

The stationary grid I'm referring to comes up by default with every opened image. Imposes itself over the image, but not attached to the image.

Found it comes in handy for aligning things like a rotated die strike, because the grid lines stay (stationary) horizontal and vertical while the image is rotated behind.

It does not save on top or show when I save the image. I'm sure theres away to disable, but for now shows up by default. Thanks, Doug.

Edit: I think it keys off pixel count, cause it comes up with different size grid pending the open image. Click the image below and see the grid size differs between the background image and the foreground image,

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Go the the horizontal tool bar and click on view. Note the lower choices of show grid or as yours probably says b[]hide grid[/b]. Click on it and it should go away. The grid is used to locate many items the same size spaced so they are even. When printed, the grid disappears. It only shows on the computer screen.
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I used the grid to space these out the same.
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Thanks, Coop! I'm now another day closer in fulfilling my quest for knowledge...... Just wonder how many more days it takes to get to the end? Thanks, Doug.
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Its been over 15 years and I'm still finding new things with that software.
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