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Ancient Greek/Syrian ID And Authenticity Help

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This coin weighs 18.6 grams and is approximately 31-32mm in diameter. I've found several similar examples but none exact. Two coin dealers were unable to tell me more about it. I'd love any thoughts about or experience with this coin. If you think its fake please offer the reasons that led to your conclusion. Much appreciated!

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 Posted 12/20/2016  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bogdanjovi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can start from here, looks similar to first coins: http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/gree...as_II/t.html

No idea about authenticity, sorry
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This piece purports to be a tetradrachm of Prusias I a Bithynian king circa 228 - 182 BC. However this IMO is not a genuine example, given that your scale is correct the weight is too heavy and the overall appearance of the piece is crude and not what would be expected for a coin of this type. The reference for this coin type is SNG Cop 6723V and Sear 7259.
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Thank you so much! Even though its not the news I was hoping for I'm grateful to have finally learned what it is.
It seems to me that the obverse is most similar to Prusias I while the reverse is Prusias II. Strange...
Thanks again for your help!
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What appears to be the same coin appeared on one of the boards at Forum on 3/4/2014...see below. There was some debate about it with regard to authenticity. Given the concerns of two very experienced fellows there (one of whom stated that it "is pretty obviously a modern cast"), I would have concerns too.

Btw, I say "same coin" above, and not "same type" or "same issue" because I believe the OP coin is indeed the very same coin removed from its old jewelry mount. Note the marks on the OP coin, above, at the exact spots where the pins/pinchers (or whatever they're called) held the coin below in place.


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 Posted 12/20/2016  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob moves to the head of the class and gets a kiss from the teacher!

Good detective work Bob ^^
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Wow Bob. You do have the references! Didn't even notice those little scars on the peripheral edge until you showed the one still in the bezel.
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Indeed good detective work! The original post on 3/4/14 was also me! Forgive me as I didnt recall posting but now, after seeing it I do remember. I guess I AM getting old. I since have changed phones and lost/forgotten passwords and login info. I had a coin dealer here locally remove it from the holder as it came loose and was scratching the (fake) coin. Bob, I scarcely remember posting but I think there was some question because I wasnt able to give its weight as it was in the holder. Was it decided it was in fact a MODERN forgery? If so, bummer! And can you comment as to why modern and not period fake? Thanks again
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Does it check out to be silver? Have you tried the magnet test? If the magnet sticks it's not silver. Can you post a picture of the edge? The changes are more that it is a modern fake than and ancient one. Ancient fakes tend to be fouree, silver over a base metal. This does not appear to be a fouree.
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Heres my attempt at photos of the edge. I'm not sure itll show but now that you mention it, it looks very much encased. Any chance theres an ancient coin inside...? Hahaha, you dont have to answer that. Of COURSE there IS! :-)

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Did not pass magnet test.
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It's a modern cast fake. Sorry for the bad news.
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Thats ok. I'm happy to know. It was an adventure and didnt set me back anything but time. And spending time on coins, even fakes, is what the whole point is! For me anyway. I really appreciate all of you that helped and continue to help folks like me.
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