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1993-P LMC Trail Die Marks?

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 Posted 12/28/2016  4:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add andywoj00 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
See pic. Would these be considered trail marks or something caused by a deteriorated die or polishing? Thanks in advance.

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 Posted 12/28/2016  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Worn die not a trail die.
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with that agreement.
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 Posted 12/28/2016  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andywoj00 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Trying to get further educated. What actually causes the striations between the top of the device and the rim?

What "forces" would cause this pattern/wear to be on the die?
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 Posted 12/28/2016  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The die is worn on the edges and recessed. The planchet metal rushes at the strike to fill the void. It is forced into the ares of least resistance.
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with worn die
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I second the second agreement.
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The dies wear in a direction. That is to the closest rim. When you see these die flow lines, they are in that direction, to the closest rim. Sometimes the devices also show wear in the same direction. It is part of the die aging process.
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Just like seniors get wrinkles, the dies also show them. LOL
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Even with just 6,000 strikes, (3,000 coins) the proof dies also show flow lines from the pressure exerted on them.
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Die wear shown:
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Hope this helps. If not ask another question. The point here is to learn what we see on your coin, so next time you will understand. (sorry I don't often give yes or no answers. I tell you what I see on your coin.)
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Am I correct in saying the wear on the die is recessed and the planchet metal fills them at the strike making them raised on the coin? Is that why we call them flow lines? Or do we call them flow lines because that's the direction the die wore. Or both?
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They are raised on the coin, so the wear is into the die. (incuse)
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Thanks to all. Pictures were very helpful. I've seen coins similar to the Jeffersons but didn't know what caused the "wrinkles".
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