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After looking at what seemed like thousands of ugly 3-cent silver trimes, finally found one I liked. This example shows clearly that the planchet for these coins was so thin that the design elements of the reverse are clearly visible in the obverse and vice-versa. Just went from acquiring the largest silver coin minted by the US to the smallest. Quite a ride. As always, I would appreciate your thoughts on grade and what you would pay for this coin. Price paid revealed in 48 hours.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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MS-63. I bought a similar piece for $160.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Wow! $160 seems like quite a bargain.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I'm seeing the smallest brush of circulation. I mean the lightest bit, so I'd be at AU-58. Given that, I'd guess a price in the $180-200 range.
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I say a slider, so either 58 or 62. Price. 180-240
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Agree possible slider, hard to say from pics alone. Nice example.
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12/30/2016 4:33 pm
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This is by far one of the nicest coins you have posted here (in terms of quality, not value). I can't see anything less than AU-58. I don't see any obvious wear, but I'd rather see it in hand to make that determination. From the pics, I can see MS-63. Quote:
This example shows clearly that the planchet for these coins was so thin that the design elements of the reverse are clearly visible in the obverse and vice-versa. What you are looking at is a die clash, not the result of the thin planchet. Quote:
Just went from acquiring the largest silver coin minted by the US to the smallest You have a draped bust dollar? Edited by TypeCoin971793
12/30/2016 5:38 pm
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Draped bust $ is 26.96 grams while the trade $ is 27.22 grams. Trade $ also has more silver. ASEs are larger, but those weren't meant for circulation so I didn't include those into consideration. I don't have a draped bust $ yet but I hope to in the new year. Just gotta find the right one.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/30/2016 5:47 pm
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I also thought the star and crescent visible on the other side of the coin were die clashes at first, but the die clashes I have seen seem to leave a sharper impression. The devices I see on this coin and other trimes seem hazy and dull consistent with transfer from an impression on the opposite side. Below is the sharp impression that I would expect from a clashed die taken from my 3CN. Of course, let me know if I am completely off base. I'm still learning.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/30/2016 7:41 pm
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MS-63. Now that is a nice coin!
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Very nice. I don't see any definite wear, I'll say MS-63.
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Bedrock of the Community
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These coins did show design transfer from time to time, and also die clash, sometimes hand in hand. Photos are badly out of focus, so it could be either a high AU or low MS coin, as the consensus seems to be here.
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So upon further research, this is not the smallest silver coin produced by the US for circulation, but close. This is a type 1 3-cent silver trime which weighs 0.8 grams and is 75% silver 25% copper. The type 2 and 3 coins from 1854-1873 weigh 0.75 grams and are 90% silver 10% copper. Type 1 coins are more susceptible to tarnish due to the higher copper content and will tarnish differently. The 3-cent silver trimes of all types were 14mm in diameter.
Interestingly type 1 gold dollars are 13mm in diameter but weigh 1.672 grams, so slightly smaller in diameter but more than twice the mass. Type 2 and 3 gold dollars increased to 15mm in diameter but remained the same weight.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/31/2016 09:46 am
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