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Pillar of the Community
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Edited by DEVLEC
12/30/2016 5:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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a very nice coin, I would totally agree with ms 66, no one is going to grade it lower..in my opinion
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There are so many nicks and dings on that coin it's hard to see it as an MS coin -  Edited by Mark1959
12/30/2016 5:12 pm
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United States
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A real beauty, right there with the MS 66 grade.
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 Canada
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Oh it's very much an MS coin....but just where in the MS range..I don't know..
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That's why I asked about a possible PCGS grade here..
The big ones get many nicks in the bags and just a bit of travel to the tellers drawer will always leave marks on these..
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Pillar of the Community
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"Oh it's very much an MS coin.. The big ones get many nicks in the bags and just a bit of travel to the tellers drawer will always leave marks on these.." Interesting. I collect US silver dollars and bag marks cut the MS grades for them. I just thought it was like that across the board. |
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Canada
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yikes with the magnification, lots of chatter can be seen on both sides..Esp above the "4" on reverse, and under the chin on obverse....I doubt that would cross to a PCGS 66. Still a very nice coin.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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yikes with the magnification, lots of chatter can be seen on both sides..
."..I doubt that would cross to a PCGS 66..".
Still a very nice coin. The big magnification helps here.. and that's what I was wondering.. |
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Canada
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This is the tough part, you blow it up to 100x and every flaw is visible, when grarding they use a 10x?
I think it is a beautiful coin, love the REV tone, but not sure if a 66 is warranted. A few marks in front of the chin, weakness around the band of crown (I am not familiar enough with quality of strikes of 1934 halfs to fairly judge), a few minor hits on the body/ear and a very noticeable set of hits on the REV.
I don't think this would follow PCGS guidelines for a 66, 65 is where I would feel comfortable:
MS66: Above average strike. Full mint luster is required for the MS66 level. A mint state 66 graded coin should have above average eye appeal and be considered attractive for the issue. A few, small scattered marks may be present, but not a single, large obvious mark that detracts from the overall nice appeal of the coin.
MS65: The strike should be at least average for the issue and preferably sharp for the issue. The luster should be above average although full mint luster is not required like MS66 and MS67 grades are. Bagmarks can be present, but should not detract greatly from the coin's overall beauty. Generally, MS65's are above average for the issue with attractive luster and are appealing coins overall.
I am not yet into the $4000 CAD range coins yet, but I think a few of these marks would bother me at that price point. At $2000-2500 CAD, would probably be all over this
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Hard to grade toned silver coins that are toned such as this one is, from pictures alone. Have to look at this one in hand with a 10x loupe, angling in at various ways in a point source light. Fortunately if it has been slabbed, that has been done for you, and you are obliged to accept the slab grading. There are huge price differences between MS65 and MS66. There is always at least a minor tendency for a TPG'er to over grade coins. How many times have we seen disappointed CCF members thinking to resubmit in the hope for a higher grade, which is sometimes successful?. I have to admit, I am also tempted to over grade my own coins. In this grading environment, my advice to me would be to give it a miss |
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Canada
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Not a snowball's chance in Hades that coin would grade ms66 at ICCS if cracked out and submitted raw.
In fact, I don't even think it would grade ms65.
I see it as a solid ICCS ms64.
That said, I agree it is an NGC ms66.
There are fundamental differences in grading philosophies between ICCS and the US TPGs.
Let me explain two important differences using this example:
1. ICCS grades mainly obverse fields and NGC does not.
2.NGC boosts the grade due to the attractive toning whereas ICCS does not.
These are my reasons why I see this coin as an ICCS ms64 and an NGC ms66 as both accurate and correct.
Knowing and accepting this eliminates the frustration of saying 'now how in heck did NGC give that coin a 66!!'
Edited by doubleeagle59
12/30/2016 6:40 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think it would be fair to give it a 64 for our cdn standards.
What's so darn nice about it is the luster and light tone. Lovely coin.
Too many marks in the field it's not a ICCS ms 66 even on a good day IMO. Maybe 65, but I think they'd give it a 64.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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After blowing it up, I see all that chatter. I too guess it depends on how much magnification PCGS would use. But George himself is pretty dinged up. I don't think it would cross as a 66, or 66+, but maybe a 65. The chatter is there on the devices, and I know that's what PCGS looks at. But I don't see any considerable ding that would put it any lower than a 65 or65+
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I would be worried that all the bag and rub marks would show in hand as opposed to the pictures no matter what the grade! The obverse marks are really worrisome. Even if at 64 I wouldn't want it - just my opinion.
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Taiwan
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I do not know how PCGS would grade this coin now but it was in a PCGS 66 holder
when it sold for $6,250 through Heritage in April of 2011.
Edited by Everest
12/30/2016 7:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Mark, if you look at theses Morgan 66's we're dealing with about the same thing 142222194692 PCGS 66 232184254093 And NGC 66 with the little cac sticker |
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Posted 12/30/2016 5:11 pm
