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How Far Back Can We Go? Fourth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Ok interesting--I hadn't seen this online resource previously. Thanks!
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1665 -- Hungary, 15 krajczar:

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1665: 1 szelag from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (the eagle version!).

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From the pictures, the last digit does not look that visible. It is also kind of hard to see in-hand, but at the right angle, it is definitely a five!
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Here is a 30 Groschen (1 Gulden) from Poland dated 1665 AD:

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My 1665 szelag

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Another szelag
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About szelagi Jana Kazimierza Wazy.

For sure Fortres catalog and Kopicki catalog are wrong. Such coin as koronny Brzesc; 1666 not exist, Kopicki 1554. Szelagi koronne (with eagle) was never minted in Brzesc; (only szelagi litewskie - with Pogon; = knight)

Reference is catalog of Cezary Wolski, „Miedziane szelagi Jana Kazimierza Wazy z lat 1659-1667"

For szelagi koronne we have:

Kraków 1659:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119254.html

Ujazdów 1659:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119249.html

Kraków 1660:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119300.html

Ujazdów 1660:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119292.html

Kraków 1661:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119301.html

Ujazdów 1661:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119294.html

Ujazdów 1663:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119296.html

Ujazdów 1664:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119297.html

Ujazdów 1665:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119299.html



any other dates and information for example from Krause:


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or from Kopicki:

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are wrong


For example szelagi koronne with other dates, like 1662, 1666, 1667, or 1668 are counterfeits.
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Two skilling, Denmark

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1664 -- Austria, 15 kreuzer:

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@geraltttt82, that is interesting information, but I don't want to hijack this thread with a discussion of real vs. counterfeit coins of 1600s Poland. I'll start up a separate thread over in the world coin section so that we can discuss this. I'm very interested in hearing more from you on this.

Meanwhile, here is my presumed real Solidas from Poland dated 1664 AD:


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Avatar coin; much better photos.

1664 Sweden 2 marks:
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1663 -- France, 1/12 ecu:

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1663 thaler from the Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg which, at the time, also included the Principality of Celle.

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Here is a Gulden (30 Groschen) from Poland dated 1663 AD:

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@geraltttt82, that is interesting information, but I don't want to hijack this thread with a discussion of real vs. counterfeit coins of 1600s Poland. I'll start up a separate thread over in the world coin section so that we can discuss this. I'm very interested in hearing more from you on this.
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1662 -- Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, 6 groschen:

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