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How Far Back Can We Go? Fourth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Lithuanian half-groat 1550
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Me, too. (coin is not yet in hand, hence overly cropped photo from auction catalog)

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Here is a Mariengroschen from the German Free City of Brunswick dated 1550 AD. It is attributed as Sch 522.

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1549 -- Lithuania, 1/2 groat:

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A question to those who have a serious "date collection" (or is that year collection?) back through the 1500s: Is Poland-Lithuania the principality with the best coverage of dates during this century? I haven't plowed through Gumowski to do the research (though I know 1507 is the earliest). Does (royal) France have comparable coverage?

Just curious ...
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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces125149.html Glogowian groat, 1506, is the earliest dated coin with the Lithuanian Knight, but Lithuanian Mint started the minting of half-groats from 1495...look in our book http://goccf.com/t/282866#2550242
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A question to those who have a serious "date collection" (or is that year collection?) back through the 1500s: Is Poland-Lithuania the principality with the best coverage of dates during this century? I haven't plowed through Gumowski to do the research (though I know 1507 is the earliest). Does (royal) France have comparable coverage?


In my OFEY (One From Each Year) 1500s collection, I think I have more Hungarian denars than lithuanian half groats. Dated denars go back to 1503, but 1503s are hard to find.
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I agree with @pepactonious, but would add that the French were not as prolific coin daters in the early days. @tdz, you might be interested in my Levinson thread from last year or the year before.

Edit: here is the link:

http://goccf.com/t/269713

Here is a Denar from Hungary dated 1549 AD. It is attributed as Huszar 935.



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Thanks for the replies, giedrius and pepactonius.

I do not have a OFEY collection, but have collections of several places, with more of an eye to soveriegns (rulers) and types than years in those places.

However, in following these "How Far Back can we Go" threads, it occurred to me that I might expand my Poland collection (for example, covering the various mints operating under each sovereign), and this could also be an opportunity to broaden the dates I have.

(Gee is that how the obsession starts? )
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1548 -- Lithuania, 1/2 groat:

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1548: 1 denár from Hungary.

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In my OFEY (One From Each Year) 1500s collection, I think I have more Hungarian denars than lithuanian half groats. Dated denars go back to 1503, but 1503s are hard to find.


OFEY: interesting way to collect; I collected very un-OFEYish, resulting a concentration of coins around certain years, 1576 being a "grand cru" year for example

the Lithuania 1/2 groat has a great design, very nice
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Here is the same coin as @jospeh7420 posted (Huszar 935):

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A few posts upthread, I thanked giedrius and pepactonius for their responses. Somehow I missed spence's post which came in a bit later. Thanks!

I'm not aspiring to starting an OFEY collection, or going into the early dated years covered by Levinson except as they apply to the medieval states I am already collecting. I have a few pre-1500 Brabant coins more by accident than design, as they fit certain types and rulers that were on my list. That's why I was asking about Poland (which also means Lithuania) in 1500s, since it's a country I already collect. and many of the coins are affordable. I did thumb through my Gumowski, and it looks like there were minor silver coins minted in Poland-Lithuania every year from 1506 (though that one appears to be rare) to 1569, then from 1579 to the end of the century. SO, the only gap is at the end of the rule of Zygmunt II (there is a gold coin of 1571, but nothing within my means in 1570-72), then the messy interregnum between him and Stefan Bathory. Lots of fertile ground left for me!!

I did notice that the pre-1500 coins in the recent Rauch auction sold quite high relative to the starting bids. Not sure if anyomne here had bids in on them (or even better, won one!) I managed to win one medieval coin form my collection of saints' images.
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It was the original thread that got me started on a set of Hungarian Denars. I am trying to put a set complete set of varieties from Stephen I to the end of the denar run. I think that was in the mid 1700's.
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