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New Member
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First this was picked up at A VERY reputable auction house, physically auctioned, not ebay it a flea market, an auction house that has made regular national records with their sales. I am seeking more information on it's source and provenance. It is not cast, it has been strongly stamped, particularly the counter mark. I am anything but a Chinese coin expert and this was buried in the wrong section of the auction with another test strike in silver of another coin on square Silver dating to year 21 (Kann 628) as well as a great deal of similar dated Chinese coins, looked like someone was selling a collection. I've never seen this before... Information is always helpful. Please! I don't know where to look. Happy to get the big camera out and put the macro lens on it. I think I way way underpaid but I often miss the subtlties of coins that aren't my direct field. Price is a secondary concern, just wondering if it's real and if it should be kept safer than some of my other pickups.   |
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New Member
 Australia
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Closer look there are details missing and it's not as sharp but this is possibly a die formation piece?
Might be reaching a bit there but that's what it was sold as...
Edited by phrenzy
01/09/2017 04:53 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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This is not a trial piece. If someone wants to be a bit "smart", they might advertise it as trial piece by counterfeiters. There are no fine details and as far as I am aware, there is no such square trial pieces. Chinese pattern coins if ever offered in the market often go past 4 - 5 figures, if not reaching up to the 6 figure mark.
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Australia
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Didn't think so, I didn't even realise the rarity if it was real, a little frustrated by the description though that being the case by such a reputable auction house. It is in pure silver.
Luckily I have an interest in counterfeits and the process and stuff. I've never seen another despite his of googling.
Oh it really is a trial counterfeit it's actually really interesting to me. The SHI counterstamp is interesting though, why counterfeit something that shouldn't exist and apparently hasn't been seen before (or so rarely) and out of real Silver if it's obviously missing details?
Things we might never know, but it's fascinating, someone paid a lot more fit the other purported trial piece... Hope they knew more than me!
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I am very certain that this is struck in some cheap base metal. One can argue one way or the other but as long as the counterfeiter makes a dollar out of it, that's all they really care. The more someone wants to pay for it - the merrier it is for the overall counterfeit operation.
All I'm certain is that particular auction house needs a strong wakeup call when it comes to dealing with Chinese numismatics.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Australia
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I'm a sliver stacker and deal with silver of all sorts day and night I'm fairly confident with the weight and patina it is Silver and was advertised as such. I will get it XRFd though as I'm more and more interested in this. It's such a unique forgery that I can't find another no matter how hard I try, not that this means much, it's just usually interesting forgeries are commonly found in forums and such. I do believe it to be a forgery, I'll be having it XRFd to check metal content soon. Thing that bugs me is why the SHI mark if it's a test for a round counterfeit coin and why counterfeit something that doesn't exist. Again not making an argument for it being real at all just fascinated by the rationale as I'm interested in forgeries. Makes me wonder about all the many 8 reals and Hong Kong Trade dollars I bought from them in this and the previous auctions... As well as year 3 and other yen. I think it's a pause on all that unless I can do in person viewing even if the high resolution pictures are good. I'll stick to bullion haha Edited by phrenzy
01/09/2017 7:35 pm
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Austria
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I am sorry to be the party pooper, but this thing is far away from real.
The details are not correct and way too crude, the toning is probably artificial.
I have seen similar pieces with different desings, but never considered any of them to be authentic.
I doubt, that this thing is older than 20-30 years at all (if not made 2 years ago).
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Posted 01/09/2017 06:22 am
