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1673 What? Help With Country, Denomination, Please

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Thanks in advance for any info.

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I think Poland, six Groschen.
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Thanks for the input...I'll check it out.
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The last digit of the date looks like an eight to me, rather than a three.
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@bobisgr8, I agree with @alganbagrep and joseph7420. The coin was minted at Bydgoszcz and the attribution is Kopicki # 1937. For whatever reason, many of these six groschen coins did not fully strike up on the chin and neck area of the bust.
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Why the star and crescent moon? To facilitate trade with the Ottomans?
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The crescent and star was the coat of arms of J. A. Morsztyn, the State Treasurer at the time [source in Polish where you can see the same symbol].
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Value (VI) for 6 groschen is here:


1673-What?--Help-With-Country,-Denomination,-Please


sometimes You can find there also "IV" for 6 groschen - but it's an error like here:


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All, thanks for the good info....greatly appreciated. As I have said before, this forum is awesome.

Thanks again to everyone.
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OK...so I'm a little confused, or maybe just dense. When I search NGC for Poland,1678, 6 Groschen (https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...-duid-286452}, I find the coin below. The reverse seems to match my coin but not the obverse, i.e., my coin has a laureate head, while the NGC coin has a crowned head. NGC does note that the pictured coin may not be the exact coin described although the description says "crowned head". NGC also notes that varieties exist. Would such variations go so far as to have a different bust? Have I missed something?

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NGC does not list all coins on the planet.
It is not a variation, it is a different type. Try same search on Google.
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NGC is the worst place to search coins from Poland. The best source is:

http://wcn.pl/archive?q=1678+sz%C3%B3stak

http://archiwum.niemczyk.pl/index.p...=wysz_prosta


For sure for year 1678 there are few variants. I found in archives:

Type 1: 4 leafs and Pogo#324; with no sword

1673-What?--Help-With-Country,-Denomination,-Please

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Type 2: 3 leafs and Pogo#324; with sword

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so Yours will be Type 3: 4 leafs and Pogo#324; with sword


Im Numista referee for Duchy of Courland and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from 2 months so I try slowly add coins and looking for all variant for them as I did here:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces96203.html
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@geraltttt82, outstanding! Many thanks for the clarification.
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Quote:
Many thanks for the clarification.
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Yesterday after searching I posted all varieties that I found, here on numista:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces100866.html

I'm sure that's not all and someone else has other variants
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Thanks for the review...you really do have a good eye for detail.

Am I correct in understanding that all these variations were produced in the same year at the same mint? Any idea if these were intended or accidental variations?
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