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Well I wasn't the one that actually found it; my wife said she had this weird coin she wanted to show me, and that it kept getting rejected at the parking MuniMeter here in NYC. And it's not the 1st time one of these has turned up, a quick search turned up 2 other threads posted in 2012 about the same counterfeit. Coins are similar; magnetic (must be iron), smooth not reeded edge. Mine is showing rust. http://goccf.com/t/126610#126610http://goccf.com/t/136862#136862As can be seen below (in hand), when handed over mixed with similar coins especially when in a rush, it would be easy to fool an untrained eye, or anyone that doesn't look closely at their change. I took some close ups with my Microscope Cam and the closer you look the more you can see how crude the forgery is.     
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I love it. It's so bad it's almost good. If you ever decide to get rid of it PM me.
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You know that's not a Chinese counterfeit . What a piece of junk !
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Quote: I love it. It's so bad it's almost good. If you ever decide to get rid of it PM me. @davec13.. will do.. and my sentiments exactly.. after I realized what it was, and right after I stopped laughing inside my head at the trouble someone went through just to make this stupid looking quarter,,,  ,,, the first thought that popped in my head was  "I gotta add this to my collection".. it's too interesting not too..
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I have a "perverse" love of counterfeit coins. I know they are a problem for collectors, but I can appreciate the effort put forth trying to create them. I have hundreds of counterfeits in my black cabinet collection and am always looking to add more. Some are so laughable (like the one you posted), but others are so good it takes serious study and the help of my xrf scanner to determine them to be fakes. This one is laughable.   This one on the other hand is good.  
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Harry - Great thread, thanks, learned a lot.
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The half dollar looks very convincing.
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 If I got that half from a bank I wouldn't look twice.
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The mintmark on that quarter is a giveaway.
What's surprising me here that someone's going through all the trouble to fake coins that are of little value.
Have we got a Henning wannabe out there somewhere?
(ETA: the half would have fooled me too!)
Edited by DCM Coins 01/14/2017 8:14 pm
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Quote: ... What's surprising me here that someone's going through all the trouble to fake coins that are of little value ... I had the same thought  How like a coin collector to look at the face value of the coin, and not the business model. Consider the life of a forged twenty dollar bill. You sell it to somebody who then needs to spend it, keeping the change and, maybe, salvaging something from whatever they bought with the bill. The yield is the change from the twenty, which limits how much someone is willing to pay for the twenty in the first place. Consider the life of a forged quarter-dollar coin. The market is people who make change; either out of a cash register or, better yet, out of a vending machine. Their yield from a ten dollar roll of quarters is a full ten dollars. One could also consider the security measures & monitoring in place for twenty-dollar bills, as opposed to those in place for quart-dollar coins. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, one of these markets is far more competitive than the other, further squeezing the yield. Forgery is always a lot of trouble. Cheers, /s/ ikeyPikey
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One story I read about Henning and his nickels has that he deposited them by the roll in banks, explaining that he owned a vending machine business. With a $2 roll having much more purchasing power in 1953 it might appear to be yielding some profit for the time and effort, but that's assuming that he could make them for less than face value.
If that quarter and those like it were made 30 years ago, then perhaps the operation got something out of it, but how much? Enough to buy a six pack every other week?
Anyway, I took another look at that eagle on the quarter. He doesn't look all that healthy.
I'll also be carefully looking at any more clad coins that I get that appear to have rust and/or other type(s) of degradation.
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Quote: ... With a $2 roll having much more purchasing power in 1953 ... Right about the time that my father would take my older brother and a roll of nickels to an art museum, and the kid got a nickel every time he correctly named the artist. Quite the incentive, in its day. Cheers, /s/ ikeyPikey
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Quote: If I got that half from a bank I wouldn't look twice. Yeah , me too . 
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Assuming it was made in the early to mid 1980's as it's date might indicate, there may have been some method to his madness. At the time many coin acceptors for things like tollroads, coin counters and other automatic coin devices merely used size to determine value. Some coins might have been rejected by magnet-equipped machines but not all used them.
I had a friend who worked in the coin room of a large tollroad authority during this time who said they used to collect buckets full of slugs, foreign coins and even just plain cut round metal bits that were accepted by the roadside baskets. It looks like this guy took it one step further and at least made a (slight) effort to make it presentable. Most people wouldn't give that a second look unless it was rejected by a machine or handled by a collector.
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