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 Posted 03/28/2008  4:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
One of the things in my life that I am most passionate about is raising my son to be a healthy, productive adult. Nothing is more important in my life than my boy. The remainder of my family - my mother, my father, my aunts and uncles all come in close second, but my son is my pride and joy - hands down.

I do for my son what I deem necessary to see that he understands what he needs to know in order to be that productive adult. If that means being very direct with him and telling him what to do, then I do just that. I don't sugar coat my responses, I don't tell him he has a choice when he doesn't. Now he might not always like my answers, but he respects them because I am very consistent and I am not afraid to tell him what to do. He knows that I tell him something and I mean it.

How does this relate here? Well, the second most important part of my life is numismatics. Making sure I take care of those who ask me for advice is very important to me. Although my answers are usually brief and to the point, I do care about every answer I give, and make sure it is the right answer. I don't sugar coat those answers, and I will not say what I do not mean. It's because I DO care that I answer like I do. If I didn't care, I would let everyone here believe their misinformation and would not try to correct them.

So in a nutshell, I care about all of you. I care to protect your hobby and mine. I care to give you the correct information you come here seeking. If I don't have THE right answer, I don't post. I simply don't have time for "hi, howya doin" stuff. I care enough to make the time to respond when I can, and I care enough to make every response mean something.

If I tell you you're wrong, it's not an opinion...it's something I learned through three decades and millions of coins. It's fact. I don't tell people they are wrong just to get them (or anyone) stirred up.

If I tell you that a better photo is needed to determine what you have, that's exactly what you'll have to do to get an educated statement (not a guess) from anyone. I have seen hundreds of thousands of photos, and have taken tens of thousands myself. I have replaced photos I took a number of times to ensure they are the best quality I can provide. I KNOW what it's like to not be able to get good photos with the equipment I have. I'm not knocking the photos or the photographer, I'm stating a simple fact.

If I see that you're being too impatient with the learning curve, or you're simply not listening to the advice of experienced people here, I'll state so. While this is a learning environment, there are a lot of people here who do know exactly what they are saying when they say it, and should not be blown off. When I do respond with a statement, I am one of those people...because I don't respond like I know something unless I definitely do.

So if you're offended by me telling everyone they have nothing, I cannot help it. Far more times than not, the posts here are novice collectors asking what they have, and far more than not they have nothing to get excited about.

If you're offended because some of my answers are two words, understand that I work 60+ hours a week and have projects at home that take easily another 40 hours of my time - that's 100 hours a week devoted to coins, and I still find 5-10 hours a week to review and respond to messages on five different coin boards. If you understand all that, maybe you won't be so offended by two-word responses.

Bottom line is this...I care about all of you. I care what you do and don't do. I care that you spend your time knowing what you are doing, regardless of what that is. I KNOW what it's like to not have help or have anyone to turn to when there are questions. I started YEARS before the internet, and had to send a letter and wait three weeks for a response. I also know what it's like to search through a bag of coins for a month and not find anything of any value. That makes the rare times that I do have a windfall special. You all need to learn this, and learn what it feels like. Stop making value out of every jar of coins - often it simply isn't there.

What it all boils down to is this - I thought long and hard yesterday about simply disappearing from here for good. I really felt like my knowledge and my willingness to share it went unappreciated. I am trying to help people understand that while collecting should be fun, there should also be purpose in it that extends beyond you. I collect to have something fun to do, but I also collect so that my son will have something of value to him, to me, and to anyone he might sell or pass it to later. I collect as a means of research, learning, and profit in my child's future. I have seen where so many others attempted the same feat, but didn't have the education to do it right. They collected junk and left nothing of value behind. That's the very most heart breaking thing to see, and I want to do everything I can to prevent that.

So when I get bent out of shape about die cracks and Machine Doubling, remember that not only do I care about you, but the family you'll leave behind some day. I care to see them get just as much out of your collecting as you do, only in different form. I care to see that your loved ones won't be bewildered by an honest dealer telling them they have nothing of value and that they should take their closet full of coins to the bank. I do care.

Because I do care, I stay. That's why, nothing else. I will keep posting, and keep answering questions. It's not the 99% that won't listen, it's the 1% that will.

So...last night, instead of leaving and deleting the bookmark, I took a simple question out of a thread and spent the time to answer it completely. And it felt good. So that's all I have to say.
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 Posted 03/28/2008  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brefos77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chuck, don't even worry about it. Most of us know how hard you work and the time you put in to making our "hobby" fun and accurate. Thanks so much for not quitting the forums. I've said it before, I'm not satisfied with a response to a question that I posted until Chuck answers, and then the post is complete, set in concrete. You're gonna be seeing alot more machine doublings and die cracks/breaks and stuff like that, but it does help us novices to learn the differences in "junk" and true errors.
As far as the pictures go, that's common sense. If you want true accurate info about your coin, then post some accurate clear pics.
Anyway, just wanted to respond to show that we hear you loud and clear!
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 Posted 03/28/2008  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChristinaM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Simply put, well said. And thanks for making the decision to stay. While I do not usually post anything for your opinon, you can be sure I do read all your posts. People who are willing to share the knowledge to the extent that you and others on this forum have are hard to come by.
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Chuck is certain the Simon Cowell of cents!

Well said bro.
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 Posted 03/28/2008  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you. But I think sometimes people get bent out of shape on the internet because they're reading only words and are able to interpret them other ways than if they were talking to you face to face and they can read your body language or hear the tone etc. I don't a lot of people factor this in when they read.
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quote:
So...last night, instead of leaving and deleting the bookmark, I took a simple question out of a thread and spent the time to answer it completely. And it felt good. So that's all I have to say.


I think you might be referring to my question asking how a double die becomes a double die. Let me tell you the response you gave was so much more than I expected and it was truly educational. That's why I come to this forum. It's because of people like you who take the time to answer questions that keep me coming back. The amount of knowledge I have gained here in 2 months far surpasses anything I leared with my off and on collecting over the years. Alot of us may not say it, but we really appreciate what you and others share with us for knowledge and for that I say thank you.
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 Posted 03/28/2008  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chuck

The ammount of knowledge I have gained in the last year or so just from reading your posts is more than I could have hoped for on my own. It hurt when I finally got the message and went through my "hoard" and dumped all except a few die crack and machine doubled coins back into circulation. Those that were kept are now clearly marked "educational purposes" and color coded with a red dot on the 2 x 2 that my wife understands to mean no value above face.

When I posted the first photos of the 82ddr and got the response "need better photos but probably nothing" it bothered me that you couldn't see what I clearly knew was there.

When I posted the better photos and got the response that led to the write ups in the major publications it more than made up for everything that came before! The feeling when you find something special and have it confirmed by someone that "knows what they are talking about" is indescribable.

Had you not been on this forum there are other members that would have helped me out, but none that could have done it the way you did. I thank you for that and I thank you for your decision to stay. You have helped this noobie learn a lot and there are others here that could use the same whether they realize it or not.

Thanks again
Richard


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 Posted 03/28/2008  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toniblab to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i like checking your site if the error I have is listed or not.
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 Posted 03/28/2008  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe nobody else will come out and say it but I'm sure there are others that think it...sometimes you do come off as sort of rude with your answers.

Example; the penny (yes, I say penny not cent) with the reverse ground off. I asked if the poster could weigh the coin and your response was that there was no need to weigh it because it was ground off. I already knew that the coin had been altered but I was trying to let the poster come to that conclusion himself. Remember that not all people are coin experts and not all people learn things at the same rate or in the same way. Just telling somebody what they have is nice but an explanation of how you know what it is is even better.

That being said you are the undisputed king of copper cents here on the forum and we all value your input on any given day. Thanks for sticking around!
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 Posted 03/28/2008  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
toniblab

Chuck's site does not list errors, it lists varieties.

Richard
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 Posted 03/28/2008  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chuck I am glad you decided to stay with us. Allot of us (me included) are collectors and not a expert in anything we just see something we like and we collect it, Thats why it is so valuable to have experts on the forum to help guide us in the right direction when something catches our fancy so we don't spend our whole life chasing our tail. I know if it hadn't been for Experts like yourself I wouldn't still be collecting because I would still be collecting the junk I started buying when I started collecting (I still have a few pieces just to look back on to see how far I have progressed in the short time I have been collecting)
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 Posted 03/28/2008  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add of-grampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I knowI am learning much due to theInformation given by you and others. Thanks for hanging around and feel free to "2 word" respond to my posts any time you like :)
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 Posted 03/28/2008  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InfiniteInterest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am grateful that you chose to stick around, your insight and knowledge is beneficial to all members, and your contribution to this hobby is immeasurable. Keep up the good work...but try not to do so much of it!
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 Posted 03/28/2008  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add docsfishn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for staying Chuck. I've read a lot of your posts and refer to your book frequently when searching cents. I've looked at cents for years and I know it would take decades to come close to the knowledge you have about them.
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 Posted 03/28/2008  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually like Simon Cowell, somewhat. Difference between what he does and what I do is that he delves his opinion, and sometimes adds in more than he needs to. He's a bit mouthy with it, and sometimes that can be a bit annoying. What I give here are facts, unless asked for an opinion, then I give that. I rarely say "I think it might be..." or "that could be a..." - I want the person asking the question to know they got an answer - not an opinion.

I really didn't want this thread to turn into a heart-felt warming party, although I do appreciate the comments. I only thought it was necessary to state WHY I answer like I do. The only time I am rather short with people is when they continuously ask the same questions, or they ask the same question as three other threads on the same screen. This isn't just a place to come for answers to your questions, it's a place where you can look and learn from other people's questions if you bother to look at them. Many times people come here and ask their question, which is the exact same one the previous four people asked...search for an answer before asking the question. It makes life easier on everyone involved.

Enough about that...

Regarding my response about the ground-off coin...that response to weigh it came right below three other posts that said it had to be ground-off because the mint cannot strike one side of a coin and leave the other side completely flat. That's enough of a response, in my opinion (and yes, that part is an opinion). That it's impossible to have something that looks like it does and have come from the mint means just that. The response that offered the poster should weigh the coin puts doubt in the responses others have correctly given. The correct response is what new people here want, they don't want a wild goose chase. Perhaps rethinking the response would have been the better way to go. Something like, "I agree - it's ground off, but next time you run into something similar just weigh it. If it doesn't weigh enough, you have a pair of ground off coins." That tells everyone you agree with the correct responses and are not trying to offer rebuttal...only offering the additional information you think others should have offered.

It's true - you cannot see my face, you cannot see my attitude when answering questions here. You don't know what I'm thinking other than what I put here in black and white. So here goes:

What I am usually thinking when I respond to a newbie asking the same question I've answered a thousand times is that I can remember when I had the same question some 25 years ago, and how lucky these people are to be able to sit in their house and ge a nearly instantaneous reply to their every question. I offer as much as I have time or energy to offer, then wait for them to either ask follow up questions or take what they've been given and move on to the next question. I don't offer a manifesto to everyone, because often people aren't looking for that. They just want the facts.
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