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Bedrock of the Community
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These are two Seated Liberty dollars that I am considering purchasing for my type set. They have both been offered to me for $500 each. I only need one of them. What are your thoughts on grade, condition, etc.? I am leaning toward the 1872 because the reverse is much sharper. Would appreciate your thoughts on the originality of the coins. Thanks to all in advance. Coin #1: 1847   Coin #2: 1872   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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You really ought to get both -- one is "no motto" and the other is "with motto".
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks. My type set only calls for one. If you had to choose one, why would you prefer one over the other?
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Personally, I'd never buy a coin this expensive that was not certified, and could get a good matchup with photos on the NGC or PCGS web sites. There are many fake Seated dollars out there. As for the 1847 -- are those hairlines on the reverse? What about the spotty dark toning in the protected recesses -- I'd want to make sure that the TPGs didn't consider this an "improperly cleaned" coin. For the 1872 -- the toning looks bit unusual, and there are also those scratches at the bottom of the reverse. I'd rather have this in a slab, to make sure that this is really a problem-free coin. Of course, a problem-free certified Seated dollar may cost a bit more. |
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Both show signs of a past cleaning. I am not fond of the scratch on the reverse on the 1872. I would go with the No Motto 1847  |
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Thanks. I am surprised that the scratches on the reverse of the 72 are more important than the significant difference in wear and detail. I agree that the 72 does have toning that looks a little blued on. I have a minimum of XF40 for my type set at this time. Would both of these meet that hurdle at TPG, in your opinion, assuming that they don't detail out? IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I like the 47 better. More wear but the coin looks more original and has better eye appeal to me.
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Pillar of the Community
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I would also choose the 1847, for the same reasons as IndianGoldEagle
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Both are surprisingly original for SLDs. Both have a shot at au-50.
Coin 1: will grade without details.
Coin 2: has more eye appeal but might get dinked b/c of the scratch on the reverse that starts at the 'N' in one and ends at the 'D' in dollar. It cuts pretty deep into that D, so whether or not It grades with details is a coin toss. Also there is another scratch under the 'n' in one.
Though they are common dates, I would be happy with either of them. Let me know which one you don't want. We could possibly go in together. Try to get the seller down to $800.
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When looking at both I'd go with the 1847. It just looks more original granted both may have been cleaned at one time. 1847 is my choice.
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Bedrock of the Community
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The 1872 looks like someone took an eraser to the upper right obverse fields and ONE on the reverse ( a prime focal area) is damaged so I'd skip it. It's XF+ details and not worth anywhere near $500.
The 1847 is my choice unless the reverse has notable hairlines in the fields.
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Pillar of the Community
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I love the obverse of the 1847, but it's all down hill from there. The reverse of the 1847 looks like it's been cleaned with an abrasive. Ditto for both sides of the 1872.
I'd pass on both and keep looking.
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01/22/2017 1:22 pm
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United States
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the 1872 has better eye appeal, but looks to have been wiped on the reverse.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Must agree, pass on both and wait for a better one.
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01/22/2017 4:36 pm
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