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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Have you tried to see if a fridge magnet sticks to the coin? That brown colour at the top of the coin looks suspiciously like rust.
Edited by trout1105 02/01/2017 1:47 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hard to tell from these pictures, but I also detect some mushiness in the lettering, and I don't like the thickness of the rim in the northwest corner of the reverse.
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New Member
 United States
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Coin is definitely non-ferrous. Local dealer has checked it and believes that it is an exceptionally rare coin. He made me an offer on it, I told him I wasn't ready to sell. He advised me that I should have it certified and graded. This coin came from my great grandmother's collection. She worked at a bank in Kansas City, Mo from 1911-1964 and collected coins as her hobby. The collection was passed to my grandfather after her death and then to me upon his death. I know there are a lot of scrupulous people who try to defraud coin collectors, I assure you that I am not. Will try to get better shots in a few minutes.thank you for your replies and look forward to more.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Give it a bath in acetone first. The orange gunk on the back makes it a no-grade regardless.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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What does it weigh? If it is under weight, the rim may have been altered. If the coin is normal sized it is probably not a broad strike without the collar. That is the two things I question about your coin.
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New Member
 United States
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Mass is 26.76 grams on certified jeweler's scale. The coin is just slightly larger than it's counterpart, I'm estimating it to be maybe .010.015 inch larger in diameter. I will spec it out in the metrology lab tomorrow at the university I attend. I am no seasoned coin collector but have had a small personal (pulled from circultion) collection for around the last 25 years and I knew I didn't want to clean the coin as I have been told that cleaning coins should be left to a professional. Thank you guys for your replies.
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Valued Member
United States
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I've seen Morgan dollar with partial collar or railroad rim. But never seen one like this where the partial collar doesn't even look like it exist as if it was struck without the collar. The 'orange' stuff probably just dried glue of some sort. Yes, acetone bath will most likely clear that. The coin itself looks genuine. Why don't you post this coin in vamworld and see what their expert have to say?
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New Member
United States
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If it was an out of collar strike would the rim be as sharp? Would the denticals have smeared as the metal had nothing to support it during the strike?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If the composite and weight is spot on, it could very well have been struck with a plain edge collar. Perhaps an experimental strike of sorts, since they were transitioning to the Peace dollar. If it was any other date other than 1921 or maybe 1904, the experimental theory wouldn't be relevant.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Experiments would have been run in Philadelphia not Denver. That flat sharp edge really looks like it was struck in a plain collar and not as a broadstrike. That would make me VERY leery of this coin.
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United States
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I'm curious as to where this will land 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Any chance this is a Dryer Coin that was tumbled just to the point that the reeding was flattened?
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New Member
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Thank you guys for your replies. I have again verified mass at 26.762g in our metrology lab. As for diameter it is within +/-.0003 inch, thickness was +/- .00002 inch of all 11 of its counterparts. I would have to agree that with diameter, mass, and thickness being so close that it would have to of been struck in a plain collar. Why, or how is still a mystery. I can assure you that my great grandmother would have been the one to catch this error as she worked in a K.C. bank when it was minted. In addition my grandfater collected coins all his life and would not have kept a counterfeit. I know from talking to my grandpa about this coin as a child, that it has been in his safe since 1945 when he returned fron his tour of duty in WWII. When he returned from the war he purchased a house and a safe to keep war memorabilia and important documents in. Thats when great grandmas coin collection from 45' and back came into his possession. The others(45'-64') came into his possession after her death in 1964. I can understand the uncertainty or suspicions forum member's would have of a coin variety nearly a century old just now surfacing. Heck, as I typed the last section I began to question my great grandmother and my grandpa! lol.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Cool story...keep us updated. Are you going to send it in to a TPG?
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