Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsRoyal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection!








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

What Type Of Doubling Is This?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 5 / Views: 1,102Next Topic  
Valued Member

United States
102 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2017  11:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add flipacoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Hello everyone, I am asking for help to identify this doubling. Is it die or machine? Thanks for weigin in, Jon
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
Valued Member
United States
102 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2017  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flipacoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize for the upside down pic...Here's a better one.

What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2017  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are you looking at? I'm going to take a guess and see if I hit it. The area next to the rim where the tops of the motto devices are called flow lines that from from the devices. This leaves the tops of the devices looking strange. That is called die wear. If you can imagine how a die works, the metal of the planchet is pushed by the die into the shape the dies want. This done for hundreds of thousands of time, causes friction and the metal movement created die flow lines on the fields, it also wears the tops of the devices also. When you compare them as the dies age you see a lot is going on with the die. The dies that were fresh and new wear out and are later retired. Here is an example of Memorial reverses:
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
Note the different dies states the dies go through. This metal movement the top edges of the dies. Rounding what was almost squared edge devices to rounding them over. Then the shapes start to alter and when the die flow lines appear the dies are in the LDS die state. But they keep getting used more and more. (sometimes a millon++ coin will be struck by cent dies) The dies go from looking fresh to looking wrinkled.
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
When they are fresh, they look great:
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
After a few hundred thousands of strikes:
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
What-Type-Of-Doubling-Is-This?
Hope I answered your question. If not, ask another one.
Rest in Peace
Crazyb0's Avatar
10197 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2017  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, wow coop, did it again, SUPERB definitions and examples. Just love your sharing of knowledge, "teach...!". Sometimes just check these posts just to learn your insights. Thank you sir! I look forward to many more years of these!

Pillar of the Community
CoinCollector2000's Avatar
United States
2563 Posts
 Posted 02/02/2017  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I'm seeing a LDS
Valued Member
United States
102 Posts
 Posted 02/13/2017  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flipacoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop, Thank you kind sir for explaining your answer the way that you did. You have given me knowledge that's going to save me from a lot of wasted time. It must have taken years to learn what you know and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to share. Jon
  Previous TopicReplies: 5 / Views: 1,102Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.29 seconds to rattle this change. Forums