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That one is way too far gone, best I can tell you is 1803-1807 range.
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your my copper expert  |
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Oh, Adam, is there a book with all the sheldon numbers?
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Sheldon's "Penny Whimsy" is the way to go for 1793-1814.
After that, you'll need to get Newcomb's book for 1816-1857. There are other, more specialized books that might interest you later.
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I would say no it isn't. Key is the uppermost inner berry on the left. There are only two reverse dies in 1805, on one of them that berry has a very short horizontal stem. On the other the stem is longer but come up from the left at a sharp angle. This coin has a long horizontal stem. Don't what it is , but it isn't an 1805.
As far as a book on the Sheldons, Penny wise is good, but the Noyes book on the early dates is probably better for attributing. Larger pictures. If you do get a copy of Penny Whimsy it is important which edition you get. If you can stay away from the 1990 edition, any of the others are better. If you have to get a 1990 you want the second printing (dark leatherette cover) not the first printing (light brown leatherette binding). The plates in the first printing really aren't usable, basically just black circles, especially of the images in the appendix of all the NC's discovered since the 1958 printing.
The Breen book on the early dates is not bad either, but the images aren't as good as in Noyes, and there are four photograph errors in it that picture the wrong dies.
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02/04/2017 10:46 am
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Is this the good penny whimsy?    And for the large cent...could it be an 1804? Getting greedy  Edited by coinlover1899
02/04/2017 12:08 pm
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I don't usually mention the Noyes books to those just starting out because the price is somewhat prohibitive for most entry level collectors ($300+ for the 3 volume set) but they are certainly superior reference works in regards to early copper, along with Grellman's book on the late dates, 1840-1857.
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Draped bust, thats about all I can tell
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That's the 1976 edition, same one I learned from and it is about the most commonly encountered edition. I wasn't thrilled with it but most people seem to think it is the best edition of the pre-1990 editions. (My personal favorite is the 1958 followed by either of the 1965 printings, then the 1981, then 1976, then 1990 second printing and finally the 1990 first printing. I tended to feel the plates in the 1976 were a little to light and washed out.) Should be able to pick it up fairly inexpensively, I see a lot of them online. The 76 edition can be had for as low as $35to around $60, the 1965 for $50 - $60 (I saw examples of both printings.), and there is even a 58 edition for $70.
Nice thing about the Noyes and Breen books coming out, it caused the prices of Penny Whimsy to drop. Before they came out the 76 edition had risen to over $100 a copy with the other editions even higher.
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02/05/2017 12:40 am
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Well, I bought the book I posted for only $25! I can't wait to look at it!
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I still use my 1976 edition Sheldon even though I have a lot of other early copper reference books.
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I don't usually mention the Noyes books to those just starting out because the price is somewhat prohibitive for most entry level collectors ($300+ for the 3 volume set) but they are certainly superior reference works in regards to early copper, along with Grellman's book on the late dates, 1840-1857. I have the first two but have had no luck finding the third.  The pictures are large and very easy to follow.  same as above.  It is not photograph but sort of like hand drawn .  As for grading I like the way EAC does over the TPG.  It is just OK at best.  For die varieties it is very difficult for me to follow from this book. |
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Thanks everyone for there help, I just got Newcomb's book for the later large cents...and my mind is blown! Very complicated! I'll catch on one of these days though! |
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