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Pillar of the Community
United States
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First off, I am NOT a coin grader. If something looks good then I'll buy it. Having said that, I am annoyed by these ebay listings from big sellers who list coins as "nice grade" or "you be the judge". Seems like they are passing the buck here. Why won't they assign a grade? Is it because they don't wanna chance a negative feedback if their grade doesn't correspond to the buyers grade determination? For me there are certain coins I want uncirculated, not AU sliders. At the very least note if it's uncirculated or not. Edited by TheForce 02/05/2017 09:55 am
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United Kingdom
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Interesting post!
When I first started selling coins, I wasn't too good at grading, I would put a good photo and ask the buyer to judge the condition of the coin for themselves. However, as I have gained more experience through collecting and dealing in all sorts of world coins, I've become better at being able to grade. I now list coins by saying something like this: 'In my opinion, this coin is XF40, but please do judge the photos to form your own opinion of the grade.' As grading is quite subjective at times, I don't want to definitively say what grade a coin is in, in case the buyer is unhappy with the product. I just try to grade it to the best of my ability, and put very good photos up.
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Valued Member
United States
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If I sold there I would never assign a grade for raw coins. Doing so could lead to many issues with buyers because grading is so subjective.
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 United States
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Quote: Is it because they don't wanna chance a negative feedback if their grade doesn't correspond to the buyers grade determination? Yes. Quote:I am annoyed by these ebay listings from big sellers who list coins as "nice grade" or "you be the judge". By the coin, not the description. On ebay.com, you can not assign a NUMERIC grade to a "raw" coin - policy prohibits it. On ebay, you can't go just by what a seller says about the coin anyway. I have seen XF sliders described as "BU", and once "nice coin" described what I call "road kill".
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: Is it because they don't wanna chance a negative feedback if their grade doesn't correspond to the buyers grade determination? Exactly. Grading is extraordinarily subjective (as we see on this site with the number of people who vehemently disagree with the grades assigned by TPGs), and these are coins which are graded and arbitrated by outsiders. Now imagine the can of worms you open when someone goes into thinking the dealer is biased because they own the piece... The other major factor is that different countries simply have flat out different grading standards. An American XF is simply not of the same species as a European EF. Thus, when you are selling coins from around the world, to a market around the world, even giving a truly accurate, unbiased grade will lead to problems and unhappy buyers.
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Valued Member
United States
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Answer to this good question is ebay does not allow seller to grade a coin. if the coin is slabbed & graded by a TPG ( Third party grader), such as PCGS or NGC etc.,then a grade may be listed. It is not the seller not grading, it is ebay not allowing it.
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Russian Federation
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IIRC, sellers are (just barely) allowed to call a raw coin VF or XF or whatever, but saying, for example, that the coin is VF-20 or MS-63 is not allowed even if the coin is in a slab that says so, as long as said slab is not from one of the few major grading companies (NGC, PCGS, ANACS, and I think one or two others - can't recall which ones specifically). I recall that at one time ICCS was not on the "major grading companies" list, which hurt Canadian coin sales a lot as the sellers had to find ways to go around the no-grade policy (IIRC at some point it wasn't even allowed to give a photo of the slab with a visible grade) or risk their listing pulled. Not sure if it's still the case, however.
Mind you, VF as such is ambiguous (British VF is much better than American VF), while (IIRC) VF-20 is not (referring explicitly to the Sheldon scale), but, well, policy is policy.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In addition to it being against ebay policy, it is also a lot of work from an operational standpoint. It adds complexity and time to an activity that needs to be efficient for big sellers. Even if you only sell 100 items, grading each one and uploading a detailed description could add hours of work. I've wondered many times if a description adds much value for potential bidders. Personally I think that clear, accurate photos are much more important to them.
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 United States
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Quote:In addition to it being against ebay policy, it is also a lot of work from an operational standpoint. It adds complexity and time to an activity that needs to be efficient for big sellers. Even if you only sell 100 items, grading each one and uploading a detailed description could add hours of work. I certainly do not mean to be disrespectful, but based on my extensive sampling of ebay listings for many, many years, sellers that scribble a numeric grade on a cardboard 2x2 are not putting in a lot of work. I have NEVER seen a detailed numeric grade's description added to a listing for an uncertified coin (or for a certified coin, for that matter).
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I never realized adding a grade wasn't allowed. Surely they'd allow the grade written on the 2x2 of the coin they photographed I would assume. Are they even allowed to say it's BU or uncirculated? Or even MS but not a number grade? I can't see how anyone can make an informed decision based on vague details. Who's to say a coin photo wasn't altered in some way?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I believe that ebay allows a seller's opinion of a raw coin's grade in the title or description, but just not a numerical grade.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: Personally I think that clear, accurate photos are much more important  As most buyers pretty much ignore the sales pitch in the description good clear and undoctored images are far more important than the sellers opinion/grade of a coin. As a buyer if you are unable to grade or form an opinion of a raw coin from good images and have to rely on a sellers grade then you probably shouldn't be buying until you can grade with some sort of accuracy.
Edited by trout1105 02/05/2017 9:59 pm
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 United States
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Quote: Surely they'd allow the grade written on the 2x2 of the coin they photographed I would assume Here's a quote from ebay coin selling policy: "Photos or scans of coins in holders from a non-approved grading company cannot show a grade or any text describing the grade or quality of the coin. The grade and text related to the grade must be completely obscured and unreadable." One might argue that a 2x2 is not a "holder from a non-approved grading company", but ebay also says... "The numeric grade (such as MS-65, VF-25) isn't included in the title, description, or item specifics of the listing." ...and it would be difficult to argue that photos or images are not part of the description. I don't think ebay intends to restrict actual grading company holders, but allow just any other holder to show a numeric grade.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Adjectival grades(Good/G, Extremely Fine/EF, Brilliant Uncirculated/BU, etc) are allowed, Sheldon grades(G-04, EF-45, MS-63, etc) are not allowed for raw coins.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: TobyJ posted yesterday @ 1019 EST (-5 UTC): I now list coins by saying something like this: 'In my opinion, this coin is XF40, but please do judge the photos to form your own opinion of the grade.' As grading is quite subjective at times, I don't want to definitively say what grade a coin is in, in case the buyer is unhappy with the product. I just try to grade it to the best of my ability, and put very good photos up. As a buyer I appreciate listings such as Toby's. Of course, if the descriptive grade is not matched with a supportive, high quality photo, then I don't bid. But there are a good number of ebay sellers who grade fairly and post excellent photographs of their coins. They almost always have ratings/reviews from customers saying things like "accurate grade", "coin in hand looks just like photo", and the like. ~ Mark P.S. The really good sellers will also note if a coin looks like it was cleaned, dipped, or otherwise altered.
Edited by dd27 02/06/2017 07:21 am
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