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I'm in the same boat as you Chuckster, I brought home 80 1921 Morgans from the coin shop yesterday to see what I can find in them.
Have you tried Vamworld?
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Gotta love those 21's ....I usually start with the reverse , see if it is a 16 or 17 berry reverse. Then I check the reverse for die rust/pitting, look at the devices for doubling. Then check the obverse lettering and date for doubling/tripling ....after that it is a matter of finding that combination of details, and matching the die cracks with a known variety...Simple !! VAMworld is the place to look for these, Good Luck !
80 of them huh bmanofnbc...sounds like too much work to me !
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No ,VAM WORLD- I'll give it a try- Thanks. * I'm beginning to think I'm lucky I only have to look at one 21 !!* I think I'll stick to finding Wide AM'S- much easier (LOL) |
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The Wide AM's are much easier to spot, but these VAMs are catching on so I might as well try to figure them out. Besides it's not costing me anything but time to look through them. |
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WOW!- went to the VAM WORLD site- you definitely have to take your time going thru each VAM you think your coin might be, that being said, I think I found mine! Its looking alot like a 1921 P- VAM 3H Its a VAM 3- 16 berries in Wreath and has the spike on the right side of the F above the bottom cross-bar It also has the die gouge going thru the tops of the olive leafs over towards the eagles legs. See photos. Next question- now that I know what VAM it is- what does that mean, if anything at all? Thanks again for any help!! Image:  1921vam3h.jpg39.36 KB Image: 1921vam3h1.jpg46.17 KB |
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On a lot of the 1921 P's you will need a microscope to find the variety. Some of them have die cracks that are not even listed in the discription because other identifying markers are more difinitive for the variety. The die cracks by the date on your coin will probably be the most likely to be listed so you can start there. Your coin is also a 16 berry reverse and that will help you eliminate a few varieties. here is the VAMworld link for 1921 P's. http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAMsI'm not sure if any of the 16 berry reverse coins are infrequently reeded varieties or not, but they are easy to check. the picture below is from VAMworld and shows the difference. The wide reeded coin is on the bottom.  |
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Like I was saying, other markers make it easier. That's not even fair, I have 1921's that I have been trying to attribute for months now. Knowing the VAM just means that you have found the pair of dies that were used to make your coin, and the condition that they were in at that time. The VAM listing gives you a chronilogical order to some degree. Some Varieties are very rare with only a few coins found, others are fairly common with hundreds found. Your coin falls dead in the middle. The rarity scale is from R-1 to R-8. I am not yet an expert in this field, so someone may come along and correct me if I am wrong on anything. I am not certain if the spiked F is a Characteristic of the VAM 3H or not, it is not mentioned in the discription, however the gouge through the olive leafs is pretty difinitive. Nice find, VAM's can get addicting, I got hooked on a 1921. Finding the variety makes collecting much more interesting, finding the rare ones is even better.  |
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Thanks for your help on this!- I can see where this can become addictive trying to match everything up! Here is a pic of the reed- its infrequently reeded- I went thru each 1921P with the infrequently reeded- top 100 etc and nothing else matched so I guess its a VAM3H.  * I use a 15x and a 20X lens- from an old microscope I had as a kid. Just unscrewed them from the microscope- been using them for years for close-up work!!* Thanks again for the info!  Image: 1921reed.jpg27.46 KB |
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Sorry, my description of the reeding was confusing, Wide reeded and Infrequently reeded are the same thing. Your coin has normal reeding which would be consistent with the 3H variety. I can tell that the VAM bug has bitten you by the dancing chili pepper. P.S. your pictures are great! |
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Your right! I went and checked my 1883O Morgan and I think I may have found a new VAM- please check out the pics- notice the extended end of the eagles beak- it comes out the bottom and there also seems to be extra feather/feathers a little to the right of this extended end of the eagles beak. I did not find anything like this for any 1883 0 Morgan at VAM World for this. I also compared this with an 1885O Morgan that I have and there is nothing like this on the 85. What do you think? Image: 1883OMorgan1.jpg40.35 KB Image: 1883OMorgan2.jpg37.59 KB Image: 1883OMorgan3.jpg38.2 KB Image: 1883OMorgan4.jpg51.29 KB Image: 1883OMorgan5.jpg50.12 KB Image: 1883OMorgan6.jpg51.21 KB |
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Looks like a die clash to me, but I am not familiar with clashes in this area. You will have to look for any other evidence of clashing in the usual areas- at the junction of liberty's jaw/neck, above eagles right wing (your left as viewed), and between wreath and wings on both sides. If there is any other evidence it might be a clash mark. There are also several other areas to look for clashing, but they are very hard to detect, keep looking at VAMworld, you should be able to familiarize yourself with these areas and their detection.
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Thanks- I re-checked VAM World- again- nothing matching up on a 1883O Morgan- but trying to match it to the obverse- it could be a swirl/curl die clash from the flowing hair on Liberty. I'm going to post a separate topic on this to try and get further opinions/help. Thanks again. |
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