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Got this in change today, and immediately noticed something wasn't right with the obverse. It looks like the Memorial on reverse is showing up sunken in on the obverse. I would call it a clash except it looks sunken in not raised,,,or is the clash on the edges of the sunken part? What is this called? The area affected is in between yellow arrows on 3rd picture.    Is this a type of clash? Thanks in advance...Mont. Edited by MontCollector
02/23/2017 6:07 pm
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I don't see much die polishing on either side of the coin, and no signs of clash marks on the reverse unless it's just the lighting. With coin in hand, can you rotate a bit and try to find some marks? The obverse marks also look slightly too wide to be remnants from the memorial. I checked two overlays I've got saved, and both show the memorial stretching from the R of LIBERTY to the middle of the third digit of the date.  |
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Thanks for the replies  Quote:
With coin in hand, can you rotate a bit and try to find some marks? I did try this to see if it might be a jail cent. No there are no noticeable marks inside the sunken part. Edited by MontCollector
02/23/2017 7:52 pm
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Thanks Mike. So the indented part is shaped like that because it is the back of the Memorial building on the reverse then. I think I am still going to throw this one in a 2x2. For learning purposes and because I have seen a lot of die different kinds deterioration while on this site. This however is the 1st Die Deterioration I have ever seen like this. Is this something CRHers find often? |
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I'm not certain it's Die Deterioration because you usually see that affect the raised parts of the designs when it gets late enough in the die life to mess with the fields. I'd buy crazy's theory though, especially since you don't see evidence of a clash. (Even the non prisoner cents that have polished obverse dies will show some hints on the reverse between the columns.) Coop -- want to break the tie?  I haven't seen anything like this while CRHing cents, but I have seen it in a dime. There was a dime posted here recently that was late die stage (coop might have said VLDS?) where the fields were affected, but there was also strong Die Deterioration Doubling on the date towards the rim. I would say it's not the effects of the memorial because it doesn't line up right.  |
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Well the area is where the ends of the Memorial are. But I wondered if the die was clash was polished out. But if it were die abrasion happened, it lowered the field on the die on that area. So it appear as a raised area instead of an incuse area. Taking a second look on LIBERTY, the area affected seems to be in the wrong area. It should be on the 'R', but instead is showing on the 'B' area. So this maybe more of a Die Deterioration issue that John1 mentioned. But it appears that all the devices on the coin are not as tall as they should be, so some die polishing (abrasion) may have made the die uneven. But I feel it is not the direct result of a clash, but of polishing out clash marks. (note motto devices on how thin they appear) If this were a Struck Through Grease error, the devices would be wider. So there may have been several events going on with this die. (but the die is kept in use) |
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