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Women Of Rome - Lucilla

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Didn't see a thread for her already, so kicking one off!

Lucilla
Wife of Lucius Verus 164-169; Died 183.
AR Denarius
LVCILLA AVGVSTA, Draped bust right
VENVS VICTRIX, Venus standing left, holding Victory and resting hand on shield

 Women-Of-Rome---Lucilla
 Women-Of-Rome---Lucilla

Lucilla was probably born in 150, one of the oldest of Marcus Aurelius and Faustina II's thirteen children. She was the older sister of Commodus.

Upon her father's ascention as Augustus in 161, he arranged a marriage between Lucilla (who was about 11) and his co-emperor Lucius Verus (who was about 30), despite the fact that he was legally her uncle. There was considerable call for Aurelius to be sole emperor, and this marriage was critical to bringing stability in the wake of Pius' death.

Verus marched east in 162 to deal with the threat of Parthian king Vologases IV. Lucilla's marriage was postponed both by this campaign, and perhaps briefly reconsidered when Aurelius heard of Verus' extravagant indulgences on the campaign trail, including a mistress. Regardless, the teenaged Lucilla was sent to marry Verus in 164, with her mother Faustina as an escort. The couple were wed in Ephesus, Ionia to much celebration, and Lucilla accompanied her new husband for the rest of his campaign, returning to Rome victorious in 166.

During her marriage, she bore Verus three children, of which only Lucilla Plautia survived to adulthood. Verus died in 168 while on campaign against the Marcomanni, probably of smallpox. The now-eighteen year old Lucilla was given in marriage again by her father to the Syrian-born Claudius Quintianus, who was about 45. She and her mother both opposed this union, and Lucilla resented the loss of the power and influence she enjoyed as Augusta. Nevertheless, the two had one son, Pompeianus.

Her brother Commodus came to power in 177, and she despised him for the depravity and instability of his sole rule. In 182, she orchestrated an assasination attempt on Commodus, seeking to replace him with her husband and re-establish herself as empress. Implicated in the plot also were her daughter Plautia, her husband's nephew Quintianus, and several of her family members. Quintianus was to deliver the killing blow, but made the fatal error of attempting to make a big show of the assasination, allowing Commodus' guards to subdue him. The men were all put to death swiftly, and Lucilla along with her female co-conspirators were banished to Capri, where they were quietly executed on Commodus' orders about a year later in 183.

Lucilla's husband Quintianus denied involvement in the plot, and retreated from public life until Commodus was murdered. He then returned to Rome, where he declined the title of Emperor from both Pertinax and Didius Julianus. Lucilla's son went on to become a senator, and was later murdered on the orders of Caracalla as a suspected Geta sympathizer.
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Since Finn has given us an excellent historical summary, I will focus on the coins.

BMCRE (Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum - vol IV by Harold Mattingly) groups the silver coins of Lucilla according to the obverse legend.
.....Group I: LVCILLAE AVG ANTONINI AVG F
.....Group II: LVCILLA AVGVSTA
RSC (Roman Silver Coins by David Sear) also only recognizes two inscriptions. However, RIC III (Roman Imperial Coinage, vol III by H. Mattingly and E. Sydenham) adds a third inscription LVCILLAE AVGVSTAE on a very rare quinarius. It also reverses the group order of the inscriptions. Here we will show examples of the two obverse types for denarii.


LVCILLAE AVG - ANTONINI AVG F
CONCO - RDIA
Lucilla seated left, holding out patera and leaning on throne

Women-Of-Rome---Lucilla

This break pattern for the reverse inscription is noted for the type of Concordia standing but not seated. The back of the seat is low and so is not a throne, and there is no cornucopiae under the seat. Except for the break pattern this coin is illustrated in BMCRE plate 58 as number 306 (as CONC - ORDIA); corresponding to RIC III plate XI #234. Therefore we may interpret the short figure with the ball at top (below her left arm) as a "statuette of Spes." This coin then is a variant of RSC 6a, RIC 758, and BMCRE 306.



LVCILLAE AVG - ANTONINI AVG F
IVNO-NI - LVCINAE
Juno veiled standing left holding swaddled infant in left hand; extending right

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This reverse type is found in both groups, but with different forms. BMCRE observes that this reverse type with Juno standing only occurs in group I with the longer obverse inscription. The break pattern for the reverse inscription is slightly different than the version in group II which reads IVN O NI - LVCINAE. This example corresponds to BMCRE 313, RSC 38, and RIC 771



LVCILLAE AVG - ANTONINI AVG F
VE - NVS
Venus standing left holding staff/scepter in left hand and extending right holding ?

Women-Of-Rome---Lucilla

The reverse on my example was not struck well enough to show the details of what Venus holds in her extended hand. However, the only option is that it is an apple (if you can believe that). In this reverse the letters V E are widely separated but both are below the extended arm of Venus. There is a version which follows the pattern of an aureus in which the arm separates these two letters. This coin corresponds to RIC 784, RSC 70, and BMCRE 322 (misprint in RSC on this number).



LVCILLA - AVGVSTA
VENVS VICTRIX
Venus helmeted standing left, holding out Victory in right hand, with left hand on shield.
Note the distended abdomen of pregnancy.

Women-Of-Rome---Lucilla

This reverse type only occurs in BMCRE group II with the shorter obverse inscrption. It is very similar to the coin Steve shows above, but differs in the break pattern of the inscription. His coin follows the pattern VENVS VI-CTRIX; mine follows the pattern VEN-VS - VICTRIX. Neither of these is directly attested nor illustrated in any of the three standard catalogs I am using, which show only a break between the words and no interruption by the central figure. Both of our coins show a feature that is illustrated but not mentioned in the catalog descriptions, namely the distended abdomen of the central figure suggesting pregnancy. That feature is less ambiguous on my example. Since neither of our coins show a helmet under the shield, they will both correspond to RIC 786 and RSC 89. However, in the BMCRE listings my coin corresponds most closely to #353 and his to #354 or 355.

{Here let me add the note that EFLargeCents and I had worked out the plan to introduce the remaining threads in order starting with Sabina. We have the material, and EFLC was setting the pace.}
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Nice write up.
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Very nice coins!

And people think that modern politics is bad.
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Great write ups everyone. Here is my example.

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I love your taste in coins EFLC!! You are showing a much better example of my third coin, with the same break pattern and a clear apple. Nice.
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Nice examples everyone! Lucilla is common enough, but her denarii really go through the roof when they reach XF/AU range! I consider myself lucky to have gotten such a nice portrait for less than $25.

I am enjoying how we all collect the same coins so differently! I collect purely for the historical aspect; while I do enjoy my eye candy and also appreciate a rare coin, the history and the person mean much more; I have plenty of coins in my portrait collection that aren't even attributed past emperor. Seeing the rigorous analysis that goes into the minute differences in the design fascinates me, perhaps more so now that I have had a swing at writing my own reference guide.
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Let us not forget one of the more unusual Roman deities on denarii, Diana Lucifera. A lower-grade example, but it gets the point across.

Draped bust, right, LUCILLAE AVG ANTONINI AVG
Diana standing left, holding torch in both hands across her body, DIANA LVCIFERA

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Thanks for adding to this thread and this forum.


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A lower-grade example, but it gets the point across.



Ah yes, Diana. Perhaps chief of all the ladies of the night. Bringer of light to the nightime sky. But what is the point that this coin brings across?
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Some lovely coins out there guys

Great write up and some superb photography too.

Thanks for sharing.

Saludos Paul

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But what is the point that this coin brings across?


Oh, um, the point of having an example of this reverse in the thread, I guess? I suppose I was just feeling a bit sheepish about sharing such a low-grade example amongst such lovely coins that I felt the need to justify it somehow.

Anyway, thanks for the welcome!
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I was not familiar with that reverse type yet until you showed it Naughtius, so don't be concerned with any low grade examples you may have to share, they can be just as interesting and educational as the higher grade ones!
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Thanks guys for all of your help. I'm loving the history behind it all.

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Lucilla Denarius...165-169 AD Rome 2.64g...18mm RIC:784

Obverse- LVCILLAE AVG ANTONINI AVG F, draped bust right

Reverse- VENVS, Venus standing left, holding apple and sceptre.

Note- On wildwinds the spelling of Lucilla is without the final 'E' this has been cleared up by the experts here on the forum (thanks lrbguy,Spence and echizento) and both forms of the name can be used...

In laymans' terms..
LVCILLA (without the 'E') is basically stating just the name of the empress
Whereas..
LVCILLAE(with the 'E') is basically stating it's 'TO or FOR ' the named empress.

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However, the only option is that it is an apple (if you can believe that).

Also..

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Venus standing left holding staff/scepter in left hand and extending right holding ?

.....I agree with you! And you must have had some doubts? Can you expand? Yours definitely looks as if there's something above the so called apple? Any thoughts?
Also Venus looks as if she's looking right?But maybe just the lighting..

Paul

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Diana Lucifera is one of my favorite reverse types.
I believe Lucilla had the misfortune of burying several children.
Diana Lucifera carries a torch to guide the shadows of the dead to the neatherworld. The dead can only be seen in the darkness as they have become but shadows that fade by the light of day.
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..I agree with you! And you must have had some doubts? Can you expand? Yours definitely looks as if there's something above the so called apple? Any thoughts?
Also Venus looks as if she's looking right?But maybe just the lighting..



What is queering it for me is the fact that Faustina II has the Venus type holding an apple/pomegranate, but has a nearly identical Venus type in which the apple is replaced by a bird. I have one of each.

The mess on the coin I showed makes me wonder if Lucilla may have had a similar set.
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