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TheCoinHunter Pillar of the Community Canada 1461 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 1:31 pm I take the coin below to be DP#3. The question is specific to Haxby. Are DP#2 and DP#3 essentially Haxby E3a with state 1 being DP#2 and state 2 being DP#3? Report this Post to the Staff

Phil310 Pillar of the Community United States 1101 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 1:59 pm CoinHunter, your coin is reverse E3a DP9 #2. The DP9 #3 is reverse die P12a. They are two different dies. You can look up the catalog pages for those two dies on Dr. Haxby's website to see the difference. Report this Post to the Staff
DEVLEC Pillar of the Community Canada 3234 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 2:28 pm Always best to show us the full obv and rev when asking about varieties.. This cent is a DP 9 #2 from that partial photo.. The DP 9 # 3 cent is a very different variety than the above photo.. . Edited by DEVLEC 03/05/2017 2:28 pm Report this Post to the Staff
TheCoinHunter Pillar of the Community Canada 1461 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 2:59 pm Sorry about that. My error all around. The coin is a #2 E3a indeed as pointed out (state 2 I think) The comparison I intended to make was between #2 to #4 as per CC pictures. I noticed that the picture of a state 2 E3a coin pictured on Haxby's web site lacks visible doubling on the right bottom of the "9" which better reflects the coin in the picture. Most photographs of the #2 exhibit some doubling on the right bottom side of the "9". Is this consistent with a die state or just random? Edited by TheCoinHunter 03/05/2017 3:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
viper Pillar of the Community Canada 638 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 3:03 pm TheCoinHunter This is what a DP 9#3 looks like MG Report this Post to the Staff
TheCoinHunter Pillar of the Community Canada 1461 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 3:07 pm Thanks viper. I realize that. Note post above. Report this Post to the Staff
Phil310 Pillar of the Community United States 1101 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 4:21 pm CoinHunter, the state 2 photo on Dr. Haxby's E3a page does show the doubling at the bottom right. Here is an enlargement of that area of the coin. The DP #4 is a different die also. Haxby reverse # E25a. Your coin is the DP9 #2. When a coin is well worn, as your example seems to be, some features may not show as they would on a high grade coin like the one Dr. Haxby photographed. Report this Post to the Staff
TheCoinHunter Pillar of the Community Canada 1461 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 5:38 pm Thanks for answering the intent of my original question Phil...Looking closer, the magnified pic is actually the same coin that is used as a closeup (at higher resolution) at the top of his page where the detail and right side doubling is clearly shown, so I guess it's an optical illusion. I understand the wear factor and I now understand that the coin I posted is a #2. I was more curious if there are placement and/or minor doubling varieties of the "9" related to a particular state of this variety since I initially (and still don't) see any doubling on the right side of the "9" on my coin. I'm not looking for a new discovery here, just trying to understand the existence of variances within a particular variety as it pertains to "state". Now that's a mouthful... Report this Post to the Staff
Phil310 Pillar of the Community United States 1101 Posts	Posted 03/05/2017 6:12 pm Die states can affect coin features such as the doubling on a 9. For example on the DP9 #4 there is a late state die collapse which causes the 9 to be so weak, that you can't tell if it has any doubling. On the bottom of Dr. Haxby's page for die# E25a there are photographs of an early and late state of this die. It doesn't make it a different variety, just a different die state of the same variety. There are some coins collected as varieties in a certain die state, like the 1881-H large cent with heavy bead clash marks on the reverse. So it depends somewhat on your definition of a variety. I think there is a thread on the forum that discussed that very topic. To be specific about the listed DP9's of the 1859 narrow 9 cents. All of those are different dies. The 1859's are a fascinating study. Hope you'll dig into them a little deeper CoinHunter. I think you'll enjoy them! Report this Post to the Staff
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