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1974 Canadian Cent

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 Posted 04/04/2008  10:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add andre1621 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do you think of this pennie?

1974-Canadian-Cent

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04/05/2008 08:40 am
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 Posted 04/04/2008  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Andre, that's sure an interesting 1c!
I'm going to guess the coin was struck with a defective planchet. On the reverse I see a weakening of the denticles near the rip in the coin, which one would expect if a gap in the edge of the planchet didn't provide enough metal for a strong strike.
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Perhaps one purposely damaged the coin?
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 Posted 04/04/2008  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andre1621 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think this coin was damage by human if I look at it under microscope you can see that this was damage in production no other mark can be seen around the break OBS or REV.
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I don't think you would see details struck like this if it were damaged post-mint. Andre, with your permission I'll post the pic at another forum to get their opinion.
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04/05/2008 03:32 am
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 Posted 04/05/2008  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
post mint IMO
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 Posted 04/05/2008  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andre1621 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kurt

No problem my freind you can posted to any forum you like for more opinion on this damage.
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Andre, thanks and while possibly redundant, I'll post the pic I've composed from your 3 photos, to which I've added a few arrows to point out a few details for the other forum.

Now that I see the edge, I'm more convinced this cent was struck on a damaged planchet. I could easily be wrong, but here's what I see:

Obverse: rim beads get weak near the damage, which would be consistent with less metal present upon striking the coin.
If this was simply post-mint damage, the beading would be consistent throughout.
The crack towards the bust doesn't show any edges to indicate metal was removed post mint.
Instead, there's a flat edge which I would expect if a die struck this break in metal.

Reverse: here we see rather dramatic weakness in the denticles near the missing edge.
Again, very consistent with less metal being present upon the strike--and far too coincidental for me that weak
denticles appear on both sides of this break.
And once again, the surface of the coin is flat to the break which suggests the reverse die struck this on the planchet.

Edge: This clinches it for me because the rim on the coin gets thinner towards the missing metal.
I would expect this if the planchet were damaged because the upsetting machine would have less
metal to create a rim around a damaged planchet. This scenario is also consistent with weaker beads/denticles around this area.

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04/05/2008 4:58 pm
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 Posted 04/05/2008  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andre1621 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Kurt,that a very nice set up you got there and guess what you will have a better view of this coin when you get it in your hand,that is if you want it.If you PM me your address again it will be on it's way today.

Andre
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Hey Kurt

I would like to know what program you are using for your photos set up like the one above?
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Hi Andre,
That's Photoshop CS3. It's quite versatile to blend photos together, change lighting, add arrows, etc.
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Thank you Kurt I have that program I will install that on my computer,and maybe get some nice photos set up like yours lolololol.
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 Posted 04/11/2008  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Andre, I just received the coins...how cool!

Btw, an expert on another forum confirmed this is a genuine defective planchet error.
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 Posted 04/11/2008  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andre1621 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to ear that you got the coin,now you can further investigate the damage to this coin.

Andre
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