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1803 ? Suspicious Listing

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 Posted 03/15/2017  12:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
saw this listing looking at large cents. Looked a bit fishy. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1803-Libert...AOSwCU1Yx41-
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 Posted 03/15/2017  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah ... smells like sucker fish.
The reverse has nothing to do with a Large Cent.
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03/15/2017 01:19 am
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 Posted 03/15/2017  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fathead 5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nobody is claiming it to be a large cent; looks like a silver coin. Hard to tell if it's a fake.
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 Posted 03/15/2017  02:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sellers other items, hats, kitchen knife sets w/block, camera, some kinda cleaning goo, funny thing is...guess how many other coins this schmuck is selling!

Hey I have an 1804 dollar that looks just like that!

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03/15/2017 02:13 am
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 Posted 03/15/2017  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It still amazes me that people will fork over that much money for a coin that's unauthenticated.
And the pictures are not nearly good enough to do it yourself.
And by the time you get it authenticated (assuming they even do it) ebay's 30-day period will have expired.

And I note that the seller makes no claims except that the coin is dated 1803.
That makes it hard to impossible to file a SNAD.
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 Posted 03/15/2017  09:58 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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And I note that the seller makes no claims except that the coin is dated 1803.
That makes it hard to impossible to file a SNAD.


It is listed in the genuine coin category as a Large Cent, Draped Bust. That is a statement in and of itself.

"Beautiful coin" makes an implied claim that it a genuine coin.

"Found in my grandfather's safe who was an antique collector" makes a claim that it is an "antique" (not a modern forgery).

I think it would be very easy to file a claim for SNAD. It is not "beautiful" if it is a counterfeit. It is not a "coin" if it is a counterfeit. It is not an "antique" if it is a counterfeit. If it is a counterfeit, it is not a "US, Large Cent, Draped Bust(1796-1807)".

Perhaps the buyer that paid $655 will find out it is fake and file for a refund -- I hope so.
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 Posted 03/15/2017  10:01 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the historical record:
1803-?--Suspicious-Listing


They sold a very fake Gold American Eagle in December. 152377603466 No feedback was received.

They sold a Perth Mint 1 oz gold bar in early March. 152450572831 I don't know if real or fake, but suspect fake.

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 Posted 03/15/2017  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Found in my grandfather's safe who was an antique collector."
Grandpa probably locked it away because he knew it was questionable.
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 Posted 03/15/2017  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Nobody is claiming it to be a large cent

Except for the seller who listed it in the Draped Bust Large Cent category.
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 Posted 03/15/2017  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sellers list in the wrong category accidentally quite often. In my opinion it's a FAKE Draped Bust Half Dollar. The pictures are fuzzy but looking at the obverse I don't see the denticles reaching the edge of the coin.
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It is a fake. Period. Doesn't look right at all. Stars are wrong, rims are wrong. Date has that puffy "marshmallow" look. 99.99999% convinced.
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Of course.
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