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I Just Added To My Collection 1943/2 Niquel

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 Posted 03/17/2017  12:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I like to share my new addition( made a good deal on it), but at the same time I have a question. does the over date 43/2 is also a DDO? or these coin is a double error?

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 Posted 03/17/2017  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

just found these on the reverse.
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 Posted 03/17/2017  01:15 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a 1943-P DDO and yours may be it with wear or LDS. That's a lot of split serifs. Maybe TheNickelGuy can chime in.

It does look like the overdate as well but, I don't know if those two are linked.

As a side note, you should probably change the title to "nickel" instead of "niquel."
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 Posted 03/17/2017  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thulium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice 43/2! The overdate and the DDO are the same, since the die was first hubbed with a 1942 date, and then hubbed again with a 1943. That's why doubling is visible on the legends too.
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 Posted 03/17/2017  01:32 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of course! How silly of me. For some reason I was thinking as if the date was punched like a mintmark.

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 Posted 03/17/2017  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Thulium, I was thinking like spruettt001. now in that case shouldn't they be label as DDO and overdate?
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https://www2.briansvarietycoins.com...ngs/view/130
The reverse is a tripled die, the obverse is a doubled die as well as an over date. Nice.
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thank you for the link John1
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 Posted 03/17/2017  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wildhare to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin ! Congratulations!
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now in that case shouldn't they be label as DDO and overdate?

No, true overdates ceased to exist in the 20th century when the date became part of the hub design. The 1943/2-P nickel is a Class 3 doubled die(Design Hub Doubling) as is all other 20th century "overdates" and other coins such as the 1960 Large Date over Small Date Lincoln Cent. The die used to strike your coin was impressed once with a 1942 hub and then impressed the second time with a 1943 hub.
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 Posted 03/17/2017  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chiming in .... Yours is nicer than mine!
I didn't realize that this was also a doubled die.

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 Posted 03/17/2017  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a doubled die because the obverse was hubbed with two different year dies. Thus the letters are doubled because of the difference in the years design. This is not an over date. Over dates stopped on the last years of the Indian Head cents era. Die die was hubbed with two different years. On an over date the actually date digits were added by hand. This did not occur on this die.
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 Posted 03/17/2017  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thulium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By my understanding, an overdate simply means a die that was changed from one year to be used for striking coins of another year.
The process used to change the date is secondary. For example, before dies were dated with punches, they were dated by hand engraving.
So, there are overdates done by re-engraving the date, by impressing a new date punch, and by re-hubbing the die--a different process, but all overdates. FWIW, both NGC and PCGS call this an overdate.

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So coop, Would this actually be more accurately called a 1943 P over 1942 ? We don't know which 1942 Jefferson nickel obverse die or reverse dies were used ?
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 Posted 03/17/2017  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks NickelGuy the 1943/2 it's also a DDO and a triple DDR as it shows in Briansvarietycoins.com. Yours looks real nice.
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 Posted 03/17/2017  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice and congrats.
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