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What's An Inexpensive Doubled Die?

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I'm looking to add some variety to the errors I have and would like a DD, especially a DDO. I've never seen one in person and it would be a big help in learning to have a tangible reference.

I was thinking about getting a slabbed 1995 LMC DDO but, are there better ones out there in that price range (not just cents)?

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That 95 DDO is nice and not overpriced. On the lower end, I just got a couple of the 2015 WDDO-006 in UNC for under $10 each. As recent DDOs go, it's fairly dramatic and interesting--strong doubling in the date, IGWT, and Liberty.

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You're talking the dramatic, eyesight seen 2x's, right? Because there are some where just LIBERTY, or
IN GOD, are affected and then are some where date is notched with separation lines. The other factor to consider is rarity, how many are known. The 1995 has a couple of varieties, just as "sight-seen" as the big one, just not as dramatic or overall as its cousins. I personally wouldn't pay today's prices for the bigboys, way overpriced IMHO.
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Of course, the Big Boys are out of my purchasing realm.

Again, not just cents, but what can I get in a legit slab in MS-whatever for under $100?

Thanks for the input. I didn't know about the 2015 but hey, that's why I asked to begin with!

Thanks.

Edit: Most preferably doubling that can be seen with the naked eye.
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Another big doubled die that's definitely "naked eye" is the 1946 Walker DDR. Well, not a DDO but in terms of sheer area of doubling, I suspect it's the biggest of any USA coin. The IGWT and the feathers are really dramatic! I found one unatrributed in a solid AU for $39.

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Stephen,

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I'm looking to add some variety to the errors I have and would like a DD
I am sure you know that a doubled die is not an error,so you can't add it to your error collection. Here is a good place for slabbed ones,just stick to the top three TPG's though. http://cheapslabs.com/cart/index.ph...ct_list&c=19
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I found one unatrributed in a solid AU for $39.


In which decade?

There are some nice Lincoln 1972s for relatively reasonable spending money. [I think that is why it's so hard to find 72 OBWs.]
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It's still pretty hard to beat the 1995 DDO for price right now. I bought this one a couple weeks ago from a dealer for $25.



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Yes, Tropical bats, that's the one I was thinking of, where just the LIBERTY was doubled...a nice sight-seen coin that won't hurt, too bad...
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A 1974-D Half is a good doubled die and is realtively inexpensive - like 12.00 on ebay.

PM me if interested, I have a few extras O got from stashing them while roll hunting a few years.
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I bought this one a couple weeks ago from a dealer for $25.
Wow--excellent price for that coin!

Regarding my '46 Walker DDR--I found that just a month ago on ebay.

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I am sure you know that a doubled die is not an error,so you can't add it to your error collection.


That is not known to me. To me, hub doubling like that is not what the mint intended to produce, so it is an error. It is not related to normal wear of dies that produce Die Deterioration Doubling or Machine Doubling caused by fault of the machinery.

The "doubled die" should never have been used to strike coins if the Mint had sufficient quality control checks. But, they didn't and that is their mistake - a Mint error.

Quoting the CCF Glossary for Double(d) Die: "The coins struck from such dies are called doubled-die errors."

It is mint-made and is not what was intended. How is that not an error?

I avoided answering this for a little while and am open to explanations for sure. I'm trying to learn more, always, and sort out the "controversies" I see.







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I hope coop will chime in and answer this,he is much better with explaining things. Error vs Variety?
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I don't mean to be too forthcoming, but doubled dies are either a Mint error or not.

I know that coop and others have quite a bit more experience than I but, there is not a current scenario in which a Doubled Die is not an error on the Mint's part.

Edit: I'm not speaking of varieties that were intentionally made (design changes) but, only coins that were struck with the wrong die at the wrong time.

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Short answer as I understand it: Error is a one of a kind coin and a variety is multiples of the same anomaly from the same die pair. I PMed a few experts,will see who responds.
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According to widely accepted hobby conventions, any doubled die is considered a "die variety". In its narrowest interpretation, die varieties include most mishaps that occur during preparation of the working die. So this includes doubled dies, repunched mintmarks, repunched dates, overdates, overmintmarks, chipped hubs, chipped punches, etc. In its widest interpretation (one which I don't share), die varieties include any die defect, including Cuds, die damage, die abrasion, collar breaks, etc.

There are lots of gray areas and points of disagreemnt, of course. For a list of die varieties, mint errors, and other categories, see this comprehensive checklist:

http://www.error-ref.com/error_and_..._check_list/
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