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Greek Gold Coin, Would Appreciate Any Info

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Hi, wondering if I can get some info on this coin. On all similar coins Ive seen people/gods are depicted seating to the left, is this just a fake? Thanks

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There is a very rare stater of the Aitolian League that is similar to this. Can we get some background? (where you obtained it) I haven't checked the fake reports yet...

For similar see: http://www.cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=117790
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Another:
http://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=19977

Can you provide a pic of the rim, especially the part below? I cannot tell from this angle if that dark line around the rim is on the coin itself, or if it's just the bottom of the coin.

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(Pardon my rudeness...I should have begun with "Welcome, antique4242!")
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That rim is a concern to me also. If you can provide a weight that will help too.
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Thanks for the quick answers! There is no rim, the lighting was weird. It does say ANA on the bottom, as in the first link posted.
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Assuming the edge is good, with no evidence of a seam, the next question - at least for me - would be the interior dark circle that shows up in some areas. I suppose this could be evidence of a jewelry mount in the past. How about the weight? Do you have a gram scale? It should come in around 8 1/2 gm. if it's a genuine, official-issue stater.

There is no substitute for inspecting a coin in person, of course, but the fabric does look good to me, and the coin does appear struck and genuinely worn. I do wonder about that circle, though.

This one might be worth having authenticated given the rarity of the Aitolian League issue.

How did you come by it - assuming it's in your possession?

Btw, I did a quick scan through the fake reports and do not see anything similar - which may be a good sign.
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I dont have it at the moment, I'm just trying to help someone find out if its genuine, will weigh it as soon as I get a chance. They found it in a small antiques collection they inherited with some other stuff that was not from this period. There were just two coins, this is the other one:

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Any info on that one appreciated too, thanks again
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Although helmeted Athena/pegasos combination staters are not uncommon, this appears to be an rarer issue from Ambrakia, Epeiros, with a crested helmet obverse and spear to right. It looks to have had a die crack on the pegasos die.

For comparison:
http://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=230835
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When adding a new coin for identification, please start a new thread.
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@antique4242, first welcome to CCF. Second, there appears to be a parting line on both of these coins based on the pics that you have supplied so far. While I am far from an expert, I would be very concerned about both pieces especially until I examine the edge. If you get them in hand, please post pics of the edge (taking into account @echizento's advice about having a separate thread for each coin). I certainly could be wrong about the parting line--maybe just weird shadows, but this should be investigated for sure.
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Thanks for all the help, Bob L especially. I didnt get to weigh it yet but here is a better picture of the edge:

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Will start a new thread for the other coin.
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Yes, that is a good view of the edge. I still see some evidence of a parting line, albeit partially obscured by filing. You could confirm the authenticity by sending it in as Bob has recommended, but I remain very skeptical.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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