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Pucks In The 2019 Apollo 11 Commemorative Coin Program

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In recognition of the 50th anniversary of the first manned landing on the Moon, the U.S. Mint in 2019 will produce and issue $5 gold coins, silver dollars, clad half-dollars, and 5 ounce $1 silver coins.

It bothers me that the 2019 Apollo 11 Commemorative program will include a 5 ounce silver coin. Because this may mean that the bullion 5 ounce ATB silver coins will eventually be considered part of the US Commemorative Coin series.

If that becomes the case, I'll have to re-evaluate continuing my commemorative coin collection past 2018, because I do not plan on going back to purchase all those so-called pucks I've been ignoring.
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I don't think changing the of a silver issue would make it bullion. It would be released as a commem and that's what it will be.

I think a 5 oz silver commem would be cool...AND it will be a proof puck..a first...
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What, no 40% half dollars like they had in 1969? Cool program, but with attention to detail like that, it could be really neat.
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Well they had to buy a new press for the pucks so did you really think they would not make other 5oz stuff with it? I've been waiting to hear something like this
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I might be interested in the 5 ounce commemorative, unless it is curved. I am not really happy about this commemorative issue being curved, unless they have a really nice presentation OGP.
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Because this may mean that the bullion 5 ounceATB silver coins will eventually be considered part of the US Commemorative Coin series.


Some collectors already consider the ATB coins - circulation versions and five-ounce versions - commemorative coins. I do not.

From an "official" US Mint standpoint, I don't believe the ATB coins will ever be folded into what the Mint currently classifies as "commemorative coins." Such coins are generally privately-sponsored coins that are sold at a premium (via an added surcharge) to raise funds for a specific cause/event/organization. Coins such as those of the bullion/numismatic ATB series are not privately-sponsored and do not have a surcharge added to their selling price - their sale does not raise funds for a private entity. I foresee this distinction as always being a relevant line of demarcation.

Unfortunately, the term "commemorative" has recently come to be used for any coin that is not a circulation coin. It's an unfortunate but undeniable trend that I chalk up to laziness by dealers/promoters and collectors. So, there will always be some who try to lump them all together.

Bottom line, yours is the only relevant opinion regarding what should be included in your collection of modern US commemorative coins. So, don't fret and keep collecting what works for you!


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Well said, commems.

While all five ounce pucks are lumped into the broader NCLT category, the ATB pucks do not qualify as commemoratives.
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I'm optimistic about the Apollo commemorative program in general but it will be a "wait and see" kind of thing.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on the prospect of curved coins. Given the surface of the moon is (obviously) curved it seems like a logical thing to do if they have the capability. We know they can do it for 1-oz coins and the $5 gold coins, but is the 5-oz press capable of it?

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I'm hoping for non-curved coins, and the idea of a 5 oz. commemorative is tantalizing.
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Per the authorizing legislation, all of the coins - including the five-ounce coin - are to be curved.

Under Section 3 - Coin Specifications is included the following:

(d) Convex Shape.

(1) In general.--The coins minted under this Act shall be produced in a fashion similar to the 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame 75th Anniversary Commemorative Coin, so that the reverse of the coin is convex to more closely resemble the visor of the astronaut's helmet of the time and the obverse concave, providing a more dramatic display of the obverse design chosen pursuant to section 4(c).



As the language applies to all coins of the Apollo 11 commemorative program, and the Mint has two years to work on it, it appears certain that even the large five-ounce silver dollar will be struck as a curved coin.


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Appreciate as always you insight and information commems ...

This is likely to be an exciting issue for many ... and I'm hopeful that those such inclined find pleasure with the coins eventually in their collections.

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...it appears certain that even the large five-ounce silver dollar will be struck as a curved coin.

Thanks for clearing that up.

My question stands... is the current 5-oz press capable of striking curved coins? Are the concave and convex faces simply created by the dies also being appropriately convex and concave?

So it would seem that this program will bring a few firsts:

o 1st proof 5-oz silver coin
o 1st 5-oz commemorative silver coin
o 1st curved 5-oz coin of any finish

This has the potential to be pretty cool.
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Curved coins. Meh. I just do not like the idea. Perhaps in two years I will find a way to accept them, as I really want to have some coins from this set.
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I just assumed all the coins except for the puck would be curved...I liked the idea of a 5 oz PF commem but not that cool with a curved one..more like a gimmic
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Would that be the first curved clad half dollar too?

I'm not interested in baseball commems, and I'm really not interested in breast cancer commems (though the Canadian ribbon series are nice). But 50 years since the moon landing seems a thing worthy of being commemorated, and a curved clad half would be a nice variety.

(Mind you, I probably couldn't afford one of those, anyway. What are they supposed to sell for - $40? $60? Honestly, if it's any more than $30, I'd rather use that money to buy some old silver.)
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Thanks, commems. I'm a bit disappointed, but this isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me. Time will tell. I'll have to see them first.
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