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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Any Libertad collectors out there? The 1987 proof Libertad with missing feathers is apparently considered a major variety. There is a slot for it in the NGC registry, but only a handful have been graded. I haven't been able to find a decent photo of it anywhere online. I have a Libertad with some missing wing feathers on the obverse, but I have nothing to compare it with to confirm that it's the variety. I took a photo of a normal Libertad and what I think is the variety. Anyone have any info on this or know where I can find a photo of a slabbed one? Normal 1987 Libertad:  Possible missing feathers?  |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I am definitely NOT a Libertad collector, so whatever opinions* I mention here are open to question.
Need to prove if such a die variety exists for known genuine examples.
With this sort of large variation, I would suggest not*.
Need to compare with a known genuine example next to it, checking for any other minor design variations.
Perhaps some other CCF member can provide for this on the screen, with a little assistive photography.
Need accurate check for weight.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks, I'm not concerned about authenticity. Both these coins were part of a group of Libertads purchased in 1988, all in OGP with COAs. I believe that NGC does recognize the "missing feathers" variety as a proof die variety. On the NGC registry forum, there are posts indicating that the variety was discovered in 2015 and recently added to the registry list, but that there are only 4 known examples. And the only registry photo of an NGC-slabbed one is so bad that I can't tell where the missing feathers are.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Many, many large and beautiful Mexican coins.
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 United States
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I found this quote "The missing feather variety was caused by over buffing of the die causing parts of the actual design to be missing." https://www.revolvy.com/main/index....tad%20(coin)This appears to be what is causing the feathers to be missing on your second photo. It is easier to see when the photos are side by side:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for linking my photos and finding that site. That was helpful. I guess there's not a huge following for these silver bullion coins since there seems to be so little information on this variety. I might end up sending this to NGC for attribution
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United States
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IMO - there are too many Libertad collectors for the extremely low mintage of many key dates. It's always going to be a battle between patience and opportunity.
I have a 1 oz 1987 Libertad NGC PF69 Missing Feathers.
I prefer the feathers!
Looks like NGC has 25 graded PF69 and none better. So far....
Bob
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I didn't think this old thread would get resurrected. I would love it if you could post a photo of your NGC graded missing feathers Libertad!
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United States
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 to the Community, Iratebob! Quote:
I didn't think this old thread would get resurrected. I would love it if you could post a photo of your NGC graded missing feathers Libertad! It would make for an even wortheir topic bump.  |
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Hi everyone, My understanding is that there are actually THREE of the 1987 proof "varieties." The first is the one on the left with lots of feather details. The second is the one on the right that is missing the feather details. The third is actually missing the feathers between her left arm (viewer's right) and body. I have an image I can share...hopefully this works.  Edited by toddler81
07/25/2018 12:36 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for the info, @toddler81. There doesn't seem to be much documentation about this variety, or other Libertad varieties for that matter! It looks like mine is missing some feather detail on both wings, as well as the area between body and left arm. Still not sure how common this is.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Very nice find and congratulations! It's a beautiful coin.
Errers and Varietys.
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New Member
United States
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Unfortunately I don't think there is much documentation on the varieties. I guess the best place might be to look at NGC's registry sets and see what they list.
I know they have given designations to two different 1988 double die varieties. One is obvious because you can see two separate dots in the fineness...the other is less obvious because you can't see two dots.
I try to keep the wikipedia page updated...I'm actually going to work on it a bit now.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Toddler81, I'm thinking the same thing as well. Sometimes, these varieties don't get enough documentation, which sometimes explains why you can't find much information on some varieties.
Errers and Varietys.
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United States
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Hello all, I'm a newb here but have been a collector of libertads for many years, I've submitted 2 missing feather details 2 NGC and both came back with the variety in PF69UCAM... I'm 99% sure the coin in the second photo would be attributed with the variety if submitted
I have pics of one of the coins and I'm trying to upload it but I'm not having much luck. The plain edge variety is the tough one... many are missing most of the edge lettering but I have not had one yet that was missing enough to be a plain edge.
I also have graded examples of the 82DD, 83DD MS, 87DD and 88 DDR2 that I can also share pics of when I figure out this picture situation .
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for posting this. I would love to see the pictures you have once you figure out how to upload photos. Nice to see another lover of Libertads!
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