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Does Anyone Have Pics Or Know How To Identify A "Weak" 1944 D/S Penny?

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Black dots indicate the end of metal and beginning of shadows on what would be the outside curve; blue dots do the same for the inside. The weak d/s is a recognized variety, but I have been unable to find pictures or much of a description. This one is broken or "missing parts" but I don't know what qualifies as weak. Does the whole thing have to be there in metal but not as visible as the regular overdate?

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BCG! Now you're in MY realm...Lincoln RPMs. Wish your pix were a lot closer up and better focused. I think you use CP for your reference right? They don't get these exact all the time. When you say " weak D" that's an obscure term among us RPMers. Think you reference WOMM-001(Wexler) and 1944D-1om-001(Coppercoins)? The 001 has a North shadow S as in this Pix:

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Please note pix 3, this is EXACTLY where it should be, no other place. Also almost all dies seem to have the die gouge off the N in pix 2.

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Gonna add another post, what you may be seeing is actually just a D/D MM northwest as in this:

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I'll see if I can get some better pics, and thanks! I didn't see the D/D, unless the identifier is the extra blob of metal coming off the NW corner. My microscope does weird things close up; shadows turn into solid 3D images and you could hide a '49 Roadmaster on a half-dime, but I'm gonna give it a whirl.Be back in a few.
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The reason the other pics have that odd quality and color is because I turned my scope light off ans used indirect light from a desk lamp. That gives you an idea what the view through a loupe is like. Then, if you want high resolution photos, you can turn on the LEDs in the scope(I think they'd light Giant's Stadium)and get fabulous, high-resolution pics like the one below. Then, all you have to do is figure out which one is real, and matches the other pic, and try to eliminate the others with your photo program. I remember why I switched to nickels now. Those uncirculated pennies will drive you nuts under the scope! What I have is definitely higher up than the one in your pics, and the "N" is almost touching the rim, so different die, I'm guessing. Just resized the image, and lost a lot of the noise. If you looked at the original too long, you'd wind up in the looney bin! Thanks!!

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Absolutely normal D, even see the master die hubbing on the 2nd 4 pointed cross piece, nice coin, could send you a bunch of those pix! Later...
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In the last image MM seems normal. Curious about the die crack on the lower bust. Does it go rim to rim? Thanks, Doug.
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Good observation Doug, I did a blow up & some editing of what BCG posted but it's not showing everything.

BCG can you post a picture of the lower part of the bust so we can see the full die crack? Thx



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CoinCents, saw what you thought, but think there's enough to determine just a bit different. Also BCG's didn't show internal S within the D. Die cracks are close but even considering die stages, don't match enough.

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Hey guys, I'm working on the pics. Didn't know what happened to my post until I checked my email this morning. I don't know exactly what you guys are looking for/at, but this thing has a spider web of die cracks on it. There is one similar to the V pattern in CB's pic, but can't say if that's it without knowing the location. On my coin, the path of the eastern die crack runs northeast up the lapel of Lincoln's coat, pretty much along the line where coat meets shirt. As for the pics, my microscope isn't the best, and between that and what you losr with the image optimizer, I don't know how much use they'll be. I DID turn on my email, though, and I'll be glad to take some pics with my brother's high-end Nikon and send them to you if you'd like. "I got a Niiiikon camera, I love to take a phooootograph, so mama don't take my Kodachrome away". (Kodak and Kodachrome are registered trademarks of Eastman/Kodak, inc. All rights reserved. Used in this post for entertainment purposes only, and poster assumes no liability for intentional misuse.)Whew! Hope my disclaimer was satisfactory. I seem to find myself in trouble here frequently, but I'm learning!
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 Posted 04/16/2017  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biker Coin Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See how this one works. I have to jump in the shower and run an errand or 2, but I'll be back on here in an hour or so, to see if I'm driving the nickel guys crazy yet

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Here is what the location should be on the 1944D-1OM-001:
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Note the location is close, but not the angled mint mark. Yours is vertical, so it is not that die number.
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I'll say again. The MM does not seem to be an OM.

The die crack is what catches my eye. The last full obverse image shows more than the first two images, including a secondary die crack. Still can't tell if its rim to rim.

Looks cool as die is breaking down. Not seen this one listed before. Thanks, Doug.
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This is a crop and edit on BCG's last full obverse - still needs to get closer and clearer to confirm



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Ok guys, this is about as close as I can get with the scope before the pics start looking like a psychedelic poster. Also, you guy seem pretty fired up about something. I don't mind providing the pics, but could you share what it is that you think this might be? Thanks!

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It says "dial" on the bottom of it! Or maybe that's LAD or IAD. There's something there, anyway. I guess the D is just a die crack.
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