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I Have Found Broken Lines Under Each Letter Of Liberty On A 1948 Penny

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 Posted 04/16/2017  02:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fredcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,
I found a line under each letter of liberty on a near uc 1948 penny
all so as the 9 hooks down there seems to be a line that follows it just to the right as well as the 4 and the eight.
This is the best photo I could get if you look close you can see the lines under Liberty....Would this be considered an error, or a D.D or both Please help.
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to CCF. We are going to need a better photo,sorry.
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This is the best photo I could get

Based only on the photo you posted, I can see doubling on Lincoln's forehead, the words "GOD WE", the rim, Lincoln's chest as well as LIBERTY.

If that is the best photo you can get, I'm afraid all we can do is speculate. If I were to speculate about a coin that actually looked like that photo, I'd say it was a very bad cast (graininess) counterfeit.
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@fredcsr, first welcome to CCF. Second, while I agree that a better pic is very important, I would add that holding a coin with metal tweezers is probably not a great idea. You are correct not to use bare fingers to avoid transferring oils and fingerprints to the coin, but the tweezers might scratch the coin (also bad).
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There might be something interesting here, but without better pics - specifically higher resolution, closer to the coin. If you're using a phone, try bracing it against something like an inverted drinking class and use the camera's zoom feature. Try to get it so the camera's viewfinder is filled by the coin, Take several shots, then use the editing tools to crop out all but the areas that are of interest.

Maybe I'm not explaining it well. Somebody else?

Oh, and BTW, to the CCF.
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We can guess till the cows come home but better pics would help a lot. Guesses: heat damage,acid damage,machine damage etc. New better pics
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to the forum!

The coin looks damaged to me. If I had to guess, I would say it was dipped in some sort of cleaner or had a wire brush used on it.
Metal tweezers will ruin the collector value of a coin, but in this case, I think the damage was already done when it was cleaned.
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 Posted 04/16/2017  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fredcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off thanks for the welcome.
As for the coin I will ask my son (who has a better phone) to take some pics. for me.
I will all so be including a picture of another penny that looks just plain weird and see what you all have to say about it.
Both coins where found in a bag of 5,000+ Wheat penny's bought from US Auctions...
Once again thank you
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Ok here are a few more pictures, I hope this will be ok.
As for other coin some one will be taking its pic.


I-Have-Found-Broken-Lines-Under-Each-Letter-Of-Liberty-On-A-1948-Pennyhere is another shot of coin



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 Posted 04/16/2017  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fredcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As you can see from the above pictures there is a broken line under each letter of liberty all so look at the date and just right of the 9 there is a line there as well all so all though its hard to see there are lines under the 4 and 8...
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That's MD, Mechanical Doubling, bounced hit
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I don't think that it is M.D
From what I have read (10 min ago) and from all the pictures I have seen my coin does not fit the pattern of M.D
The letters and face are not M.D nor is there any drag marks.
Just the broken lines under Liberty and on the back side of the 9 as well as the 4 and 8...
I could be wrong but what does every one else think?
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What do you think it is?
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I could be wrong but what does every one else think?
I think better pics (still). As of now,I don't think it is MD either.Here is a link with good info http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...Doubling.htm
Practise photo skills and good luck to you.
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Once again thanks for all the feed back, as for what I think the marks on the coin are I have no idea.
I just know there not supposed to be there.
So next question is where can I go to find out one way or another if the coin is an error or not?
I live in Indianapolis IN.
Any and all help will be welcomed.
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Your best bet is to post much better pics here. You could go to a LCS,but odds are you won't find one that knows about errors/varieties.
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