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You have some die clashing going on there. If you have the only one, it's pretty much worthless. However, if a second one pops up somewhere and you get the IHC hounds on the trail looking for a third, you're golden! Edited by Biker Coin Guy
04/25/2017 03:27 am
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Thanks Biker Coin Guy, I appreciate you clarifying what happened to the coin. I'll keep an eye out for others that may be out there.
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Bedrock of the Community
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All I see is damage, and a fair amount of it.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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All I see are scratches.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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I Agree.
Circulation wears.
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Look closely guys, it took me a minute too. It shows up best in the last pic with the odd lighting. It looks like part of the word "Liberty" is stamped into the Indian's face, running eastward from the eye(from the center of the pupil southward)to the jaw line,and ending just west of the ear. When you see it in the "infrared" pic, go back and look at the others; it's not that mirage effect you see on some coins, it's stamped into the metal.
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After studying it for a bit, I think I have identified a "T" from either "STATES" OR "UNITED", which I outlined in red. I'm definitely no Picasso with a mousepad, but the outline is there.  |
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Nothing but scratches, circulation wear and tear, and environmental damage. Clash marks occur in the fields and low relief details, not the deepest part of the die design(the center of the bust). Besides that fact, it would not even be the proper location for a T clash from CENT.
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From what I've seen, die clashes can and do appear just about everywhere, including the center and high spots(the IHC with a "1" in the throat, and the Shield nickel 1870 die clash with IHC come to mind immediately). I couldn't say for sure exactly what caused it or where it came from, but common sense tells me the odds are astronomically in favor of it being an errant "T" that came from somewhere during the minting process, over wear and tear and random damage occurring in such a manner as to leave a pattern the exact size and shape of the Ts in "UNITED" and "STATES". |
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Clashes only appear in the fields. The devices of a coin are recesses on a die, so when dies clash the recesses don't touch the other die. The only possible exception to this is a very shallow device. The face of the Indian is not a shallow device. The IHC with the 1 in the throat is an MPD, not a clash. The cause is different. The Shield nickel clashed with the IHC only shows clash marks in the fields of the Shield nickel (in this case, in the spaces between the devices that make up the vertical shield lines). On the OP's coin, I'm with the opinion that all we see is damage. Edited by ItchyN
04/27/2017 03:25 am
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The "T" you see / have outlined is simply wear and / or damage. That area, on a high grade coin, would contain a hair curl of the design. Just looks as it does due to being worn down.
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I don't see anything where the red arrows are pointing. It's possible there is something tiny there, but if so it's in the fields (the space between the vertical lines). I checked other examples of this variety where I could get better photos, and still didn't see anything where the red arrows are pointing.
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Ok, if you can't see what the arrows are pointing to in the center of the shield, we'll chalk that up to bad photography. Take a look at the arrow farthest to the right, up against the border of the picture. Right above the arrow is a "neck diamond". If you can't see that in this one, try the sn.net page. It's there.
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