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The Bank of Korea has officially began a three year effort to completely remove coins from ciculation. The campaign began on April 19th and will continue until 2020.

Thus far Emart, Lottemart, CU, 7/11, WithMe, and other chain marts/stores have started using the new system. In the new system, if the price of a purchased item would require change, the change is transfered to either a TMoney card or some type of AppMoney (like Samsung Pay). These cards could then be used in stores that take these cards/Appmoney, taxis, subways, buses, etc.

[Coin collector, enters stage left]

All coin collectors in Korea, you have three years left to hunt in the wild. There are several options for you. Many Mom & Pop stores here don't take coins to the bank until they have a huge lot. Ask your local shop when youre getting your next soju bottle if they are looking to exchange their coins for your cash. This saves the old lady/man the trip to the bank and gives you the opportunity to find some rad coins. I did this recently with our lady here at my apartment and found a fat lot of old 10 won coins to include multiple 1966-1969s and a red 1970.

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My only question is once the coins are gone for good, what happens to the price of valuable/collectible coins? Since the hunting grounds would be closed, do the valuable coins I already possess become more expensive?
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 Posted 04/27/2017  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would just keep the BU condition and key date ones, the rest just dispose since you do not know how the future pans out.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigchip22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very sad day for this
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 Posted 04/27/2017  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I honestly don't understand the reasoning behind all this. What about rural or poorer areas without the access to the lastest personal technology? Countryside markets with lower-end prices?

Will Bank of Korea completely demonetize coins in 2020, or will they simply stop minting them and trying to push coinless-alternatives?

What coins are common/unusual/rare/non-existent in circulation right now?

How wide is cashlessness in Korea? Are notes commonly in use while coins are being ditched to the past?

What forces in particular has been pushing the coin-riddal movement? Any company or organization in particular?

Is the government handing out "Change-cards" and readers of such to the general public, or are these bank cards given out by commercial banks?


It's a very bold move, even from a mostly cashless Swedish perspective. Afterall, our Riksbank have no intention to remove coins or notes entirely, but rather adapt to society's demands while making sure cash remains a payment option.
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I almost all countries cash will always remain an option for small monetary transactions.

Large base metal denomination coins are cheaper in the long run than equivalent value banknotes, because they don't wear out as quickly with less need of replacement.

The biggest losers in a cashless society are the drug dealers. They will always apply political pressure at the highest levels of government to keep cash as an option for large transactions.

Helps me too, because I have never been defrauded by credit card payment (I know a few who have had their financial identity stolen), but I have never had a credit card. I know a few who have cut them up, and limit their payments with debit card where necessary, mostly to avoid large credit card debt, because they don't budget as a normal habit.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In a cashless society, when the electrical grid goes down, so does the society. Without a physical object, there is no real medium of exchange.
Going cashless does not stop drug dealing either, here in New Jersey there have been numerous cashes of people trading their food stamps ebt cards to drug dealers for drugs. In a cashless society instead of being given cash, dealer will just take preloaded debit/gift cards that have cash on them. In fact, cashlessness actually promotes fraud, because it makes it easier for a fraudster to steal money without actually having to come into physical contact with someone (like in telephone fraud).
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I never will like the idea that every cent I spend would be traceable electronically Its my own business what I buy and when I buy it. Using a system like this cashless one could easily lay the groundwork (if this is not the intent already) for keeping track of everyone and everything.

I can also see how this could lead to abuse of the material such as the internet does already by collecting browsing data of individuals & selling to marketers. In turn the marketers have a profile of a person's browsing habits so to push targeted adverts. I am sure there are other, and more nefarious, things that can be done when every transaction is recorded.

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 Posted 04/27/2017  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What about rural or poorer areas without the access to the lastest personal technology?


Last time I was in Korea (just a few years ago), the only think coming close to this was probably a place referred to as 'North'. I found that South Korea is a technologically advanced place, even outside big cities like Seoul and Pusan.

Anyway, my question is what to do with tourists, visitors and foreigners. My experience with such systems is that they are completely inaccessible to those groups. A prime sample is the Dutch OV Chipcard, which basically excludes anyone without a Dutch bank account from using public transport. How are foreigners going to handle surviving in a county without access to local means of payment?
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 Posted 04/27/2017  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My only question is once the coins are gone for good, what happens to the price of valuable/collectible coins? Since the hunting grounds would be closed, do the valuable coins I already possess become more expensive?

We don't really know the answer to this, since no country with a large coin collector population has completely abolished coinage before. Two opposing forces will be at work, and which force will win would depend to a large extent on the country and culture in question.

On one hand, you have the decrease in supply: as coins are withdrawn and melted, there are fewer of them left and decreased supply pushes prices higher. How much this happens has a cultural component: how common is it for coins in Korea to be hoarded? If hoarding is commonplace, then bags of coins will constantly be found, helping keep the supply from dropping too low. Withdrawn coinage also has the curious effect of price-levelling: common coins become rarer and rare coins become (relatively) more common, since it is the "common" coins that tend to get withdrawn and destroyed, rather than the rare ones.

On the other hand, demand will also likely decrease. If coins are no longer an everyday item that people routinely come into contact with, then fewer people are likely to take an interest in coins and thus become coin collectors. This has already happened with phonecards (which are already old technology), and is happening with postage stamps (which are rapidly becoming obsolete). Fewer collectors means lower demand, and therefore lower prices.
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 Posted 04/28/2017  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lembafc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will try to answer all of the questions. :)

@X2an


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What about rural or poorer areas without the access to the lastest personal technology? Countryside markets with lower-end prices?


I really think you underestimate Korea. The technology already exists in stores all over the country. Even at my in-laws' house (in the mountains), the local convenience store has these card readers. There aren't really "poorer areas" in the south, just more country style places, but nearly all of them have the tech.


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Will Bank of Korea completely demonetize coins in 2020, or will they simply stop minting them and trying to push coinless-alternatives?


I think this will be the end-game goal, yes. They will likely stop minting in 2020 and push the people to turn in coins to the banks. The thing with this technology is there are chip cards in your phone, like Samsung Pay for example, that are linked to bank accounts. This would be like a feeless paypal chip in your phone that you can transfer money to/from.


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What coins are common/unusual/rare/non-existent in circulation right now?


There are LOADS of these in Korean circulation. For example, the 1970 100 won (first year for 100 won mint), 1988 100 wons, first and second edition 10 wons (high copper content), and so on and so on. The big money is in the 1 and 5 won coins with valuable metal content, but these can only be found by chance, as they became obsolete and minting stopped in the mid 1990s. Needless to say there are a bunch.


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How wide is cashlessness in Korea? Are notes commonly in use while coins are being ditched to the past?


Cashlessness is really common here already. Pretty much everyone uses cards of some sort. Even when using cash, most of the prices here are rounded up/down anyway, so coins are of little use other than in vending machines, games, etc.


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What forces in particular has been pushing the coin-riddal movement? Any company or organization in particular?


So far, it looks like the biggest push is coming from the Bank of Korea.


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Is the government handing out "Change-cards" and readers of such to the general public, or are these bank cards given out by commercial banks?


These change cards have been common place for a while now. I first got here in 2007 and they existed here before then. The readers are installed in almost every chain convenience store, but I am sure that mom and pop shops will receive them as well.

@UltraRant


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Anyway, my question is what to do with tourists, visitors and foreigners. My experience with such systems is that they are completely inaccessible to those groups.


Getting access to these cards is not restricted to Korean citizens. They are a simple card you pay about $1 for at any store. Tourists really like this system as it keeps all the change out of their pocket and makes travelling on buses, trains, and subways really easy.

@Earle42


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I never will like the idea that every cent I spend would be traceable electronically Its my own business what I buy and when I buy it


Your transactions are recorded when you use debit/credit cards anyway. These cards that they are issuing aren't even that, unless you get an appcard that links to an account.

@Sap

That is a great point. I am quite nervous about what will happen and hope that the hobby doesn't crap the bed here because coins are gone. Coin hoarding is a BIG thing here, so maybe what you stated will keep the supply up.
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You have to remember that South Korea is relatively small country with very sophisticated technology in place. It would not be that difficult to rid of "coins". South Korea started to mint coins around mid 1960's so there isn't a huge coin collection history. Also, most of younger crowd only carry phone to pay, using a card once a while. They do, however, like to buy precious metal.

My point is that for South Korea, removing coins from circulation will not be that difficult. But can you imagine removing coins from US? "NO"!
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04/28/2017 04:28 am
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 Posted 04/28/2017  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lembafc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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South Korea started to mint coins around mid 1960's so there isn't a huge coin collection history.


This isn't very true. Korea has been making coins for about a thousand years. Back then they were cash coins but there is a HUGE collection history for Korean cash coins. US coinage began later than Korea, unless you count the background history of European coins.

Then the Japanese introduced their minting process during the Korea annexation and produced some of the most expensive Korean coins to date. After WWII, Korea began minting coins in the late 1950s giving birth to the modern Korean coin. But, as I said there is a lot to collect with Korean coins.
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This isn't very true. Korea has been making coins for about a thousand years. Back then they were cash coins but there is a HUGE collection history for Korean cash coins. US coinage began later than Korea, unless you count the background history of European coins.


I have to disagree. I am comparing to US coin collecting. I understand that Korea, like China and other Asian countries, produced old coins, but there isn't a huge collecting community in South Korea. But I'm sure those ancient coins are collected as a part of Asian/World coin collecting. South Korea's modern coins started to mint in mid 60's after the Korean War, and there just aren't enough variety of coins to be collected and peek interests from South Koreans, in my humble opinion.

Also, South Korea just went through tremendous economic boom. GDP per person was $2000 US in 1970, and $4500 US in 1980. Coin collecting is a luxury hobby. (2015 GDP per person is $25000+. Incredible)
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Lembafc, thanks for all answers!

Yes, I do indeed underestimate Korea, probably because I've never been there and seen how it actually is
Great to hear some insight!
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South Korea's modern coins started to mint in mid 60's after the Korean War, and there just aren't enough variety of coins to be collected and peek interests from South Koreans, in my humble opinion.


Even taking out the cash coins, the "modern coin" in Korea began with the Japanese introducing their coin minting process. If you don't consider that, then the true first Korean-made modern coins came in 1959 with the 10, 50, and 100 Hwan coins. If you aren't counting the Hwan and only considering the second Won, then yes you're correct.

And you are very correct in stating that there aren't enough variety of coins. You are also correct about the comparison. Korean coin collected is nowhere near the US.
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It was an interesting thread Lembafc. Thanks for the info.

As US type coin collector, I got few Korean coins when I visited there about 10 years ago. I did like the designs of 50 won & 100 won which I took back to the States. I also picked up FIFA silver commemorative coin.




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